How to get rid of gyno.

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Written by C_Bino on AR.

I am posting this thread to help answer all of the questions regarding gyno prevention and reversal, the use of letrozole and other anti-e’s. I will go over everything in very simple easy to understand language. Also we are talking about estrogen gyno here, not progesterone (but using letro will stop progesterone related problems as well since it inhibits all estrogen anyways). Progesterone gyno will be enlargement of your nipple area, the actual aereola, not a lump under it.


To first understand why you are doing what you are doing I am going to go over a few things and a few definitions:

SERM – Selective estrogen receptor modulator. These drugs work by binding to the estrogen receptors and flooding them in a sense, making it difficult (but not impossible by any means) for estrogen to bind to the receptors and thus prevent the onset of estrogen related side effects.
Most common forms: Tamoxifen (Nolvadex), Clomiphene (Clomid)
AI – Aromatise Inhibitor. These drugs work by inhibiting the aromatization of estrogen. This means that in effect AI’s prevent androgens from converting to estrogen, again, making it difficult (but not impossible) for estrogen to reach receptor sites.
Most common forms: Anastrozole (l-dex, a-dex), Exemestane (aromasin), Femera (letrozole). For our purpose of reversing gyno we are interested in Letro.

Letro and your sex drive:
Letrozole will suppress your sex drive. This is another reason why it is so important to act on preventing gyno as soon as possible. Since we all know that Test should be run in every cycle this will cancel out the effect of sex drive suppression.

Running letro to prevent gyno:
If you decide to run estrogen protection while on cycle (and I suggest you do unless you are aware that you do not require it), you can run either a SERM or an AI. Letro will be the most powerful AI you can use, it will inhibit 98+% of estrogen using a dose as low as .25mg and even lower. This is why I suggest you do not use a dose higher than .50mg while on cycle just trying to prevent estrogen related side effects.

You will want to start running the letro approximately 2 weeks before you begin your cycle to allow it to fully stabilize in your blood. I have often heard the argument that letro takes up to 60 days to stabilize, I don’t know if I buy into this for the reason that I have reversed gyno after using letro for only 1 week. Still to be safe I recommend starting it before your cycle as stated above.

If you do decide to run letro there is absolutely no need to run another AI or SERM. Do not make the mistake of thinking more is better. Think of it this way; if letro is preventing the conversion of androgens to estrogen than there is no estrogen, what would the purpose of a SERM be when there is no estrogen to bind to the receptors? Nolva will only take away from the effectiveness of letro.

This brings me to my next point. Do not listen to anyone who tells you to bump up your nolvadex to 60+mg ED if you get gyno. I have no idea where this idea started but I have seen it suggest far too many times recently. Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gyno…let me make that clear IT WILL DO NOTHING FOR GYNO. If you are running nolva as your anti-e and start to develop gyno than sure you can bump the dosage a small amount to try to prevent it from progressing further, but letrozole must begin ASAP.

It is very important that you begin taking letrozole immediately, the longer your wait the more risk you take in not being able to reverse it.

How do I know if I have gyno?
If you have developed gyno you will have a lump behind your nipple. It will be fairly hard, and it will be tender to touch.

Running letro to reverse gyno:
I am going to go over the three different scenarios which people could fit into. Remember regardless of what scenario you are in it is important that you begin taking the letro ASAP.

1. Already using an anti-e aside from letro.
2. Already using letro @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
3. Not running any estrogen protection.

1.
Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-e*
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro **

2.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

3.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

*Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.

** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.

Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem.

Letro and the estrogen rebound:
With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone:estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another AI or SERM. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your PCT so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular PCT.

This now leads us into the question of reversing gyno while not on cycle. There are a few things to remember here. You have already waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be shot. You can use tribulus or another natural test booster to help you in this scenario but I can’t guarantee the effectiveness. Just follow gyno reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect that may occur.

How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into PCT and running this off cycle? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely.

GET LETRO HERE: Superior-Research.com

[Mr incredible]

how many mg of letro do you get per accutation of the superior reasearch bottles if they qare 2.5mg per ml

[redback]

If its that bad surgery might be the best option, its pretty simple op

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by redback

If its that bad surgery might be the best option, its pretty simple op

lol, i think i would rather try the letro first.

[kingj]

Does anyone really think this would actually work to get rid of gyno? I think if it did everyone would be doing this instead of shelling out 5k to have it removed.

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Originally Posted by kingj

Does anyone really think this would actually work to get rid of gyno? I think if it did everyone would be doing this instead of shelling out 5k to have it removed.

I think there is a point when only surgery can get rid of it. But I will tell you that arimidex got rid of a lump I had under my left nip.

[kingj]

I have a lump from time to time but I have some fatty tissue that I cannot seem to get rid of..the lumps come and go tho.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by kingj

I have a lump from time to time but I have some fatty tissue that I cannot seem to get rid of..the lumps come and go tho.

arimidex or letro would take care of your problem.

[kingj]

Im going to try it...Does letro have any effect on your hair line?? I was just running some masteron and it did a number on me and I really dont want to lose any more.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by kingj

Im going to try it...Does letro have any effect on your hair line?? I was just running some masteron and it did a number on me and I really dont want to lose any more.

try arimidex first. Superior-Research.com

shouldn't have an effect on hair loss.

[kingj]

But I want to try letro to see if it will take care of the gyno

[jayblack07]

How long would be TOO long for Letro to work on reversing gyno?

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by jayblack07

How long would be TOO long for Letro to work on reversing gyno?

i dont think there is any set limit on how long you have had gyno. really the only thing you can do is give it a try.

[kingj]

Originally Posted by Mr incredible

how many mg of letro do you get per accutation of the superior reasearch bottles if they qare 2.5mg per ml

Good Question, Anyone??

[INTIMID8OR]

Good post Bouncer ..That would make a good sticky ...

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Originally Posted by kingj

But I want to try letro to see if it will take care of the gyno

i understand that, arimidex may do the job just fine though. letro is more harsh. just saying that you could start out with a more mild drug and then bump it up to letro if it dosent work.

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Originally Posted by kingj

Good Question, Anyone??

you get 2.5mg per squirt.

[kingj]

I picked up some Letro from superior research and have been following the advise listed above and after 20 days now my gyno has gotten worse. I was just taking nolva before at 20-30mg per day without any problems..since the switch my nips have gotten somewhat painfull and sensitive also there hasnt been any reduction in size either. Is this just part of the process or is something not right here?

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by kingj

I picked up some Letro from superior research and have been following the advise listed above and after 20 days now my gyno has gotten worse. I was just taking nolva before at 20-30mg per day without any problems..since the switch my nips have gotten somewhat painfull and sensitive also there hasnt been any reduction in size either. Is this just part of the process or is something not right here?

when did you come off the nolvadex? the only thing i can think of is that you came off the nolv and when you did that the estrogen in your system was free to agitate the gyno again. the letro will stop estrogen production but it wont kill off the estrogen that was already in your system. i am thinking that at 20 days you are right in that area where the letro is starting to take over. i know when ever i could come off nolvadex, my nips would get sensative about 3 weeks later.

are you running something that would cause gyno? test, tren, etc.. ?

[kingj]

I tapered off the nolva over 5 days when I started the letro. Just running 125 a week of E as a maintenance dose.