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Old 08-18-09, 07:40 PM
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Higher doses of testosterone = less fat

The more testosterone you give men, the more fat they lose. Canadian and American endocrinologists describe the effect of a study in which they gave fifty healthy men different doses of testosterone enanthate for twenty weeks.

Testosterone increases fat-free mass, and therefore also muscle mass. More muscle mass also often means less fat mass, as muscles consume more energy. The effects of testosterone therapy on body composition are known. But are the effects the same in all parts of the body? This is the question the researchers set out to answer – especially for fat mass. To do this they gave healthy men aged 18-35 a weekly injection of 25, 5-, 125, 300 or 600 mg of testosterone enantate for a period of twenty weeks. They also gave the men a GnRH-agonist that deactivated their own testosterone production.

The weekly doses of 25 and 50 mg testosterone enantate resulted in a lower than normal testosterone level. The 125 mg dose resulted in a more or less normal level, while 300 and 600 mg took the subjects up to supraphysiological levels.

The higher the dose, the more lean body mass the men built up. Lean body mass, or fat free mass, consists of fluid, blood mass, bone mass and muscle mass.
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I don't agree this would be equal for ALL men...Give me a lot of test and I look pudgy as hell...Hate that estro.
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I don't agree this would be equal for ALL men...Give me a lot of test and I look pudgy as hell...Hate that estro.
Ya i would agree with that, i think that article is a bit misleading.
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Old 08-18-09, 09:17 PM
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Ya i would agree with that, i think that article is a bit misleading.
Exactly...Test converts to estrogen; period...
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I completely agree with it, read it properly their definition of fat free mass includes fluids, bone, blood mass aswell as muscle mass. The chances are you guys get water with the test estro.

A little tip, if you stay on test long enough it armoatises less and less, last time I used I think I was on for 4 months or so and by the end I hardly needed any AI's

I can certainly attest to the whole test/fat ration, its been really hard since being off to eat enough (which is easy for me to do) to maintain muscle mass without adding fat mass. This is I'm sure due to much lower test levels.

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I completely agree with it, read it properly their definition of fat free mass includes fluids, bone, blood mass aswell as muscle mass. The chances are you guys get water with the test estro.
rado read something properly and not take it out of context?... never!
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Definitely the bloated look is water retention and does not equal fat....
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Definitely the bloated look is water retention and does not equal fat....
Test converts to estro...Estrogen increases fat storage...Plain and simple. Bloated look can be from BOTH water and fat retention.
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Test converts to estro...Estrogen increases fat storage...Plain and simple. Bloated look can be from BOTH water and fat retention.
But your test levels are much higher not just your estro levels and this means your hormone balance should still be in check and therefore the test effects should outweigh the estro and you should not store extra fat as if your estro levels were higher then normal and your test levels weren't....

If what you are saying is true then why would bodybuilders even be taking test?? They would all be adding pounds of fat on top of their pounds of muscle and we all know it is totally possible to add lean muscle while on test without adding a bunch of fat...
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But your test levels are much higher not just your estro levels and this means your hormone balance should still be in check and therefore the test effects should outweigh the estro and you should not store extra fat as if your estro levels were higher then normal and your test levels weren't....

If what you are saying is true then why would bodybuilders even be taking test?? They would all be adding pounds of fat on top of their pounds of muscle and we all know it is totally possible to add lean muscle while on test without adding a bunch of fat...
And this report ALSO doesn't talk about taking SERMS/ANTI's/ETC... either...Which help prevent estro build up and so forth...lol...

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Definitely the bloated look is water retention and does not equal fat....
This is what you said/\..........The bloated "look" is NOT ALWAYS water retention...This statement is false...Bloated look is also from fat retention, NOT JUST water....Clarify yourself a bit more next time.
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Weak and typical....Now....go fuck yourself
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Weak and typical....Now....go fuck yourself
No actually those are your typical responses when you have nothing intelligent to say.... I just don't have time for your mindless banter so I thought I would follow suit and use one of your lines.... LOL


BTW... Hope things are going well with your cycle and you aren't getting too fat since your on test prop aren't you??
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No actually those are your typical responses when you have nothing intelligent to say.... I just don't have time for your mindless banter so I thought I would follow suit and use one of your lines.... LOL
Translation...........You're right rado and I was wrong about my above statement...


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BTW... Hope things are going well with your cycle and you aren't getting too fat since your on test prop aren't you??
Been of my cycle...And you will never look as good as me; ever....I look better than you do even while off my cycle...Been off for over a month and still maintaining 220lbs....Post your pics or take a seat in the back like everyone else
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