CLA...Any good? - SuperiorMuscle.com

TripleX · #1 11-29-05, 10:28 PM

I have heard many benefits of CLA. Does this supp. really add up? and do any of you use?

TripleX · #2 12-05-05, 12:59 AM

20 people has viewed this thread and not one comment. I understand that it is not something that most of us take but i was presented with the question and didnt know the answer so i ask you all.

infiniti1982 · #3 12-05-05, 02:20 AM

calm down.

people here generally aren't concerned with supplements like CLA, and as such don't know enough about it to answer your question.

do you want people to respond and say "I don't know"?

Theres really no reason to invest in CLA though, I myself don't remember the reasons for its ineffectiveness, but I am confident that it aint that great. If you have unlimited funds, you might buy it though...

TripleX · #4 12-05-05, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by glowalla

calm down.

people here generally aren't concerned with supplements like CLA, and as such don't know enough about it to answer your question.

do you want people to respond and say "I don't know"?

Theres really no reason to invest in CLA though, I myself don't remember the reasons for its ineffectiveness, but I am confident that it aint that great. If you have unlimited funds, you might buy it though...

Im not in an up roar , I just know that there are some very intelligent people on here. I didnt mean to sound upset. But, i was asked about it being somewhat of an appetite suppressent. They said that they had read it somewhere and i didnt want to lead them the wrong path and just say no its no good just because it is something i wouldnt waste my money on. Sorry FB, i am still somewhat new to the board so i will search a little harder next time.

BadGenCD · #5 12-06-05, 10:58 PM

Check the articles for CLA on t-nation.com...very mixed reviews I think, but if you have some extra cash and want to try it, stack it up with some sesathin or fish oils for the best benefits. Hard to really see how well stuff like that works because most evidence is just anecdotal. SOme of the peer review studies say it helps inhibit lipid uptake by adipose cells, but many people don't see any results...probably because it is more effective for bulking then cutting.

TripleX · #6 12-06-05, 11:29 PM

I figured it was just a waste to most. I just didn't want to give any advice that i didn't check into. Thanks for all the help, neverless.

BadGenCD · #7 12-07-05, 12:07 AM

no problem, definitely read the t-nation articles, and make sure the studies you read are peer reviewed, double blind, etc.

Severedties · #8 12-07-05, 12:12 AM

Tried it. Didn't notice anything from it.

BadGenCD · #9 12-07-05, 12:22 AM

like severedties said, you may not notice anything, it may have almost negligible impact, but again, if you were bulking and it was helping you NOT put as much fat on, there wouldn't really be anything to notice per se...it's more what u wouldn't notice (the extra fat)...so it is very hard to test in terms of anecdotal evidence...this is a common problem with supps.

Coprolith · #10 12-20-05, 07:32 PM

CLA works, but it requires high doses, is expensive, and tends to have some not-so-desirable side effects (e.g. diarrhea).

For a better non-stimulating fat burner with a bunch of other health benefits, I suggest taking a look at SesaThin:

infiniti1982 · #11 12-20-05, 08:45 PM

ive used sesathin several times and have not noticed a thing from using it. i haven't really seen anything positive with any of avant's products and haven't met anyone (in person, that i can rely on in terms of intelligence and knowledge of bbing) that has either. quite expensive and not noticeably effective.

another funny thing ive noticed about their products is that they always back their shit up with animal research... as if one could make inferences from a rat or chimpanzee population to our own...

Coprolith · #12 12-20-05, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by glowalla

ive used sesathin several times and have not noticed a thing from using it. i haven't really seen anything positive with any of avant's products and haven't met anyone (in person, that i can rely on in terms of intelligence and knowledge of bbing) that has either. quite expensive and not noticeably effective.

another funny thing ive noticed about their products is that they always back their shit up with animal research... as if one could make inferences from a rat or chimpanzee population to our own...

I've never met anyone else in person who has used Avant's products, either. They aren't as pervasive a brand as, say, Muscle-Tech, but if you want good feedback on their products, visit any decently populated board and ask. If you had bought your SesaThin directly from Avant, you could have returned it for a full refund if it really didn't do anything. It was one of the first supplements I used and actually noticed something from, which is how I ended up on their board and eventually one of their reps. I wouldn't rep for a company if I didn't believe their products were useful and effective.

Also, concerning animal research, there are plenty of references--especially in the LeptiGen series--that involve human subjects, and that aside, if you don't think animal research is applicable to humans, you might want to ask your doctor or just about any other pharmacological researcher exactly how useless animal subjects are. Not like animal research has provided us with anything useful besides, you know, insulin, asthma medications, cholesterol meds, treatments of obesity, insight into the methods of creatine transport, and about a million other things...

infiniti1982 · #13 12-20-05, 09:41 PM

i was actually saying i have met other intelligent folk that have used avant products and agree that it hasnt helped them.

infiniti1982 · #14 12-20-05, 09:43 PM

and yes, please continue to feel free to compare the research done by your company to the level of research done by pharmaceutical companies.

Severedties · #15 12-20-05, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by glowalla

and yes, please continue to feel free to compare the research done by your company to the level of research done by pharmaceutical companies.

lol...

**Shibby** · #16 12-20-05, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Coprolith

but if you want good feedback on their products, visit any decently populated board and ask...

It's too bad we don't have that many members here.

infiniti1982 · #17 12-20-05, 10:03 PM

This is a huge board. The reason you won't get too many people here with opinions on Avant is that most here are concerned with important things like diet and nutrition...not looking to get some trivial edge with a worthless rip off of a supplement.

Coprolith · #18 12-20-05, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by glowalla

This is a huge board. The reason you won't get too many people here with opinions on Avant is that most here are concerned with important things like diet and nutrition...not looking to get some trivial edge with a worthless rip off of a supplement.

Feel free to ask any of the other Avant people or anyone on their forum about diet and training; we all agree that that is of prime importance. Just because the edge you got from a given supplement was trivial does not mean that that is how it be for someone else.

Again, if you felt it were a ripoff, why did you not contact them? Is it more convenient to seethe than to actually attempt to be constructive about something and possibly get your money back? I posted a link to the writeup on SesaThin. If you can refute the claims it makes, by all means, go for it. I didn't post saying it was the most amazing fatloss product ever or that it would work without proper diet and training, yet somehow you ignored that. I merely posted the link so that someone could read and decide for himself, just as you decided for yourself that it did not work.

And who said I was comparing Avant's research to that of pharmaceutical companies? They use animal research to accomplish useful things, ergo, animal research is not useless. I fail to see how you have refuted that premise.

infiniti1982 · #19 12-20-05, 10:21 PM

arguing with your type (anyone from the avant crowd) is futile.

my favorite part about you people is that you all rally around and worship a 20yr old kid who "intelligently" uses the most dangerous substances available to bodybuilders "in the name of science."

**Shibby** · #20 12-20-05, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Coprolith

I posted a link to the writeup on SesaThin.

Speaking of that, I deleted your link. You have already had a thread removed trying to advertise. Not only have you done it repeatadly another member of your company first contatcted me about the same time you joined. He asked the costs of advertising on this board. I sent him some info back and he never responded. So you need to stop trying to slip your advertisements in where you can. In fact if you want to stay on this board, take the link out of your signature and change your avatar.

Coprolith · #21 12-21-05, 12:08 AM

The links in my signature and my avatar are meant to patently show others that I am indeed a rep so that my posts recommending various products are taken as exactly what they are: coming from a rep. Many other companies have shills who pose as normal posters but recommend their company's products with subterfuge, but the stance of Avant is to make it known who our reps are so that no such trickery can be suspected, but if you don't want links or an avatar representing it, then I will oblige.

**Shibby** · #22 12-21-05, 12:22 AM

The purpose of this board is to discuss fitness, nutrition. If that is what you are here for, then please stay. We have sponsers that carry an array of brands and products. For example, if you want to recomond to someone that a sesamin product would be something to try, that is fine. Telling them to try sesathin is outright single product promotion not carried by our sponsers.

infiniti1982 · #23 12-21-05, 12:23 AM

i like how everyone at avant likes to use complicated words like "patently," "shills," and "subterfuge"--especially when they throw those words around with a bunch of scientific jargon that they themselves don't understand the half of. you must be quite the set of geniuses.

infiniti1982 · #24 12-21-05, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Shibby

The purpose of this board is to discuss fitness, nutrition. We have sponsers that carry an array of brands and products. For example, if you want to recomond to someone that a sesamin product would be something to try, that is fine. Telling them to try sesathin is outright single product promotion not carried by our sponsers.

indeed, several companies make sesamin products now and yours is no different from the rest.

Coprolith · #25 12-21-05, 12:26 AM

There is obviously something more than discontent with SesaThin in play here. What exactly is the source of your hostility toward Avant? (directed to glowalla)

If not for my avatar or signature, my recommendation of SesaThin would have seemed like any other poster's, and I would be a charlatan. Is that more agreeable?

Coprolith · #26 12-21-05, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by glowalla

indeed, several companies make sesamin products now and yours is no different from the rest.

Strange that so many companies would copy something that clearly has no merit, no?

Coprolith · #27 12-21-05, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by glowalla

i like how everyone at avant likes to use complicated words like "patently," "shills," and "subterfuge"--especially when they throw those words around with a bunch of scientific jargon that they themselves don't understand the half of. you must be quite the set of geniuses.

If you are resorting to attacking my choice of words, then I really don't know how to respond. That's just silly.