Favorite Shoulder Mass lifts

[Lithare]

Just wondered what have been some of your most effective mass/strength building lifts for shoulders. Mine are definitely lacking in comparison to the rest of my upper body.

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by Lithare
Just wondered what have been some of your most effective mass/strength building lifts for shoulders. Mine are definitely lacking in comparison to the rest of my upper body.

it has less to do with what other people are doing and rather what you can feel the most when performing. Really there are two basic shoulder movements, the press and laterals.

[Jordan]

make sure you shock your shoulders often. if you do military press with dumbells, switch to a barbell or smith machine for a few weeks. for laterals, it seems like 9 out of ten people use horrible form. make sure you dont bounce your knees before your rep or lean backwards to get the weight up. another point, shoulders respond very well to resistance. when your doing laterals, hold the weight up for a couple seconds before slowly lowering it down again. hope this helps
another point: never ever ever call upper traps shoulders because it makes people extremely pissed off even tho most people train them on shoulder day.

[redneck99]

behind the neck press works for me... but that's just me though

[beefcake]

Originally posted by Jordan
obviously, shrugs are also key but you need to alternate what you shrug with every now and again.

Shrugs for delts? I don't think so buddy. Doesn't directly hit the delts enough to be considered a good mass builder. Stick to the presses and laterals. Every so often, I throw in upright rows.

[G-S]

There is no better mass builder than the standard military press.

[Slashmonay]

Smith military presses work the best for me, then i switch to dumbell press's

[Face]

Yea, i am sure shrugs do your traps not delts.....

[Jordan]

he asked for shoulders not just delts. most people would consider traps as being in the shoulder muscle group BUDDY

[sana]

Originally posted by Jordan
he asked for shoulders not just delts. most people would consider traps as being in the shoulder muscle group BUDDY

i definitely would not consider traps as part of my shoulders. they go all the way down to the middle of my back, how is that my SHOULDER?

[BBAddict]

I would definitely agree with sana. I think most people consider traps as part of the back. I always workout traps with my back, particularly since they get hit in some of the row movements.

[sana]

Originally posted by Jordan
he asked for shoulders not just delts. most people would consider traps as being in the shoulder muscle group BUDDY

and btw, what's with the attitude "buddy"?

[Stonecold54]

the lower trapezius is below your shoulder blades, the middle is obviously in the middle and the upper join at the neck. Most people observe the traps as part of the overall shoulder package though they have completely different exercises that don't overlap. Is that what everyone is trying to say, LOL?

[sana]

i don't know. i still see traps as traps. my shoulders are my delts. i mean, they're completely seperate entities regardless of whether it's my upper, lower, or middle traps.

when's the last time you heard someone say "wow, look at that guys traps, i wish i could have shoulders like that"

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by sana
i don't know. i still see traps as traps. my shoulders are my delts. i mean, they're completely seperate entities regardless of whether it's my upper, lower, or middle traps.

when's the last time you heard someone say "wow, look at that guys traps, i wish i could have shoulders like that"

well I guess just when you look at them front on a lot of people see them as a package. mostly non-BB people.

[Jordan]

the buddy comment was in response to beefcake;s buddy comment. yes i am quite aware that traps extend down your back but you really have to train traps as if it were 2 muscles.... ask someone to give you a shoulder massage- theyll reach for your traps

[MDAM21]

i agree with jordan, anatomically traps are more back, but they look(to the layman's eye anyways) like they are part of the shoulders. to answer lithare, i know alot of people here dont necessarily see eye to eye withg me on this, but IMO as far as building strength and overall mass, power lifts work the best, for me anyways. like a clean and jerk, or apower clean. obviously sh. presses and lateral raises are absolutely necessary as well

[Lithare]

I have the hardest time working my lateral delts. My front delts are pretty good, and I know how to hit my rear delts effectively. I'm just never feeling it in the lateral delts, and I'm doing all of the exercises you guys named. Not obviously all in one routine. With the equipment available to me, I do smith or dumbell military press, front dumbbell raise, lateral dumbbell raise, bent lateral raise, and upright row. Those are my fav's anyway. Guess I just need to lower the weight and focus on the resistance and specifically fatiguing my lateral delts. Thanks, though.

[sana]

Originally posted by Jordan
ask someone to give you a shoulder massage- theyll reach for your traps

no, that's a neck rub.

seriously - you're on a bb oriented board. if you were talking to a room full of people who've never worked out in their life, you may have a little room for argument. but in this environment where we look at the body and part of the body as we do - you have no room to wiggle.

sorry to say - i'm going to tell you - you are wrong. the traps are part of the back and not the shoulders. period. end of story.

bye.

[sana]

Originally posted by Lithare
I have the hardest time working my lateral delts. My front delts are pretty good, and I know how to hit my rear delts effectively. I'm just never feeling it in the lateral delts, and I'm doing all of the exercises you guys named. Not obviously all in one routine. With the equipment available to me, I do smith or dumbell military press, front dumbbell raise, lateral dumbbell raise, bent lateral raise, and upright row. Those are my fav's anyway. Guess I just need to lower the weight and focus on the resistance and specifically fatiguing my lateral delts. Thanks, though.

my recommendation to you is that if your anterior delts grow well - there's no need to do front raises. they are hit on chest day and then again with presses. why do the front raise as well? start shoulder day with lateral exercises. do different things with them like pyramid sets and or a giant drop set in addition to focusing on resistance.

[Face]

Go look at an anatomy book BUDDY.....

[Shibby]

tra·pe·zi·us ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tr-pz-s)
n. pl. tra·pe·zi·us·es
Either of two large flat triangular muscles running from the base of the occiput to the middle of the back that support and make it possible to raise the head and shoulders.

[Lithare]

Dude, your traps are part of your back, and we all know it. It doesn't even look like your shoulders. Your shoulders stick out to the sides, and your traps are along the neck and top. And besides, I was wondering about delts anyway, so leave it alone or take it someplace else.

[Jordan]

holy crap- remind me to get my advice proofread and edited next time. i really didnt mean to offend everyone so very deeply. i think theres a bad case of pms going around

[JACKAL]

Originally posted by Jordan
i think theres a bad case of pms going around

way to smooth things over

[beefcake]

Originally posted by Jordan
the buddy comment was in response to beefcake;s buddy comment.

I didn't mean it in an asshole sort of way bro. Sorry if you felt I did.

[sana]

Originally posted by Jordan
holy crap- remind me to get my advice proofread and edited next time. i really didnt mean to offend everyone so very deeply. i think theres a bad case of pms going around

no one has PMS, but you were acting like an ass about trying to convince people that traps were part of your shoulders. act like an ass and you get treated like an ass.