155-185lb'rs

[beefcake]

I know this is a bit of an invasive question, but I was wondering if some of you guys that are in this weight category might post up some stats. Just wondering what kind of strength advantage I would have, if any, if I were to be in this weight class. I know that these aren't deciding factors, but I would like to know though. If you could post stuff like what weight you're pressing for stuff like bench press, shoulder press, deadlifts, squats, that would really be appreciated.

back in my wrestling days I was at 135 natural wgt 150ish... a few times mid season for shits and grins(non conference) I would wrestle 145, I would win, but I could tell i needed to use more skill than strength... 10lbs made a huge difference

K

[Taylor]

Originally Posted by beefcake

I know this is a bit of an invasive question, but I was wondering if some of you guys that are in this weight category might post up some stats. Just wondering what kind of strength advantage I would have, if any, if I were to be in this weight class. I know that these aren't deciding factors, but I would like to know though. If you could post stuff like what weight you're pressing for stuff like bench press, shoulder press, deadlifts, squats, that would really be appreciated.

i'm 190lbs and 20 years old

i bench 225 5 times, on a good day i can push a 6 or 7th, on others i can only get it 3 or 4 times

i would guess i can max around 250-255 but i haven't maxed out for a long long while on a regular bench because i normally don't have a spotter

if i use one of those cybex eagle bench press machines i can bench 310 on those

DB shoulder press i use 60lbs because that's the heaviest i have but i've all but stopped doing shoulder exercises because i'm going to therapy for a rotator cuff impingement and i do enough rehabbing that that it works everything good enough

leg press machine i can go 430lbs 5 to 10times...i think if i were to really push myself i could do 10 everytime

squats, once again i dont max out here because of no spotter..today the heaviest i went was 250 and did it 5 times, but my legs felt like jello....i actually quit doing squats after i got out of high school and just stuck with extensions, ham curls, leg press, deads because i didn't have anything to squat with.......i can't lift 250lbs over my head and throw it on my shoulders lol..

dead lifts i stick around 250-280..if i maxed out i could probably get 320 give or take 20lbs..I feel alot more comfortable with these opposed to squats, i feel i can handle alot more weight...when i squat my legs often feel like they're about to give out


i can curl 45lb DB's 10 times, for my size i think biceps/forearms are my strength

at a competitive grappling wgt, expect a lot more... its not offense taylor but usually those who compete at 155-185 are gonna be around 180-215ish but massive strength. The important thing is the balance between strength and wgt, When i cut a few times to 130 I was so weak from dieting the 5 extra lbs that I barely had enuf strength to win by points, its only 5 lbs but wow, the problem is or well the balance is how much can u drop to make weigh in and not sacrafice a large portion of your strength. dropping 15lbs in one day can make a monster an absolute weakling. usually dropping 7 in one day was fairly easy and still kept most of my strength around 10 i started to rely on skill and stall tactics, lots of small rides takedowns let ups, no tech's but safe points margin
The other thing beefcake is hgt, how tall are you, 5-10 and up at 185 is light imo and good luck goin against a 5-5to5-7 guy with a lower center of gravity and more muscle mass, Lot's to keep in mind but after a few simulated sparing matches you will easily tell what wgt is the best combo for size and strength

K

[Taylor]

im not a wrestler or a boxer, i was just close to the weight class so i thought i'd respond

[Scrumhalf]

155lbs and natural.

DB Press: 80 x 8
DB Shoulder Presses: 45 x 8
Barbell Bicep Curls: 80 x 8
Tri Skullcrushers (with EZ Bar): 75 x 8

When I used to have more barbell routines, I could benchpress 225 x 4 and behind the neck barbell shoulder presses with 115 x 8

Nothing mindblowing, I agree, but I have been making steady progress and getting stronger over the years, so at 39 years old, natural and vegetarian, I am pretty happy with my results ... lol...

[BBAddict]

Originally Posted by Scrumhalf

I am pretty happy with my results

That's really all that matters. Congratulations and keep making progress. I can't imagine how you get enough protein being vegetarian!

Originally Posted by Taylor

im not a wrestler or a boxer, i was just close to the weight class so i thought i'd respond

nah taylor its kool, just like when u see hardcore wrestling and full contact fighting the wgt class issue is crucial that balance is the key to success.
Imagine being hit by a 150lb guy vs a 220 lb guy its just that concept yet u can hide your potential strength by dieting

K

[beefcake]

Cool, thanks for all the posts guys. Really helps out. Especially the detail taylor. I'm down from 215 to 205 right now. I'm figuring I can probably cardio my way to 190 and then from there, cut water weight down to 169. Hopefully i'll keep most of my strength at that weight but who knows. I'm 5' 11". Not that tall, but like you said num1, smaller guys are going to have an advantage. My deadlift and squat numbers are pretty good, so hopefully that'll give me an edge for when it comes to slamming guys on the mat.

[Scrumhalf]

Originally Posted by BBAddict

That's really all that matters. Congratulations and keep making progress. I can't imagine how you get enough protein being vegetarian!

Thanks! Getting enough protein is one of my biggest struggles. Lentils and milk help as I am a lactovegetarian and protein shakes too, but there are only so many of them I can stand in a day...lol...

Originally Posted by beefcake

Cool, thanks for all the posts guys. Really helps out. Especially the detail taylor. I'm down from 215 to 205 right now. I'm figuring I can probably cardio my way to 190 and then from there, cut water weight down to 169. Hopefully i'll keep most of my strength at that weight but who knows. I'm 5' 11". Not that tall, but like you said num1, smaller guys are going to have an advantage. My deadlift and squat numbers are pretty good, so hopefully that'll give me an edge for when it comes to slamming guys on the mat.

The biggest problem I had was the constant tearing of muscles and never gettin enough cals to repair them during the season,2 matches a week with tourneys every other weekend, I hope to hell that you are doin matches once a month or longer, this will give you ample time to heal and like you said once you figure out how much water you can drop then you can see your fatigue levels, I would really suggest you do a sparing match as you would a real match with weighins etc and really try to go the whole 10 mins (or 2, 5 min sessions)
I'm not sure the time table after weigh-ins, but the longest I ever had in a tourney was 3 hrs after weigh in and I still felt like junk, but potasium suplementation helped so much with that, just a word of caution when dropping higher amounts of water watch the kidney function, esp being on AAS,

but good luck though,hopefully your grapling skills are sharp and the rest will fall into place

K

[Taylor]

Originally Posted by num1son

esp being on AAS,

ive never been on the roids neither beef, forgot to mention that

[rado]

beef- you wrestle?


or is it MMA?

[go Yankees]

I squat 315x8, or 345-355x3 sometimes, bench 305x3, and deadlift about the same as I squat. I'm competing as a middleweight (176.25) in my next show, in 6 weeks. I'm 184 now, and I should get down without much trouble. I was 167.8 when I competed in June

[beefcake]

Originally Posted by rado

beef- you wrestle?


or is it MMA?

MMA

[wheyman]

Currently 186lbs, I'm 25 @ 5'9". Bench = 260 x 6 (Good day), Squat 335 x 8, Shoulder press 200lbs x 6; DB Press 90lbs for 6 reps and deadlift 500lbs for 5 reps.

WM

[Stonecold54]

i am too fat for this catergory

[Tinfish]

I bench about 185, squat about 200, curl 40

run a 3:15 marathon, and around a 6 hour 1/2 ironman.

[ROCKETW19]

Originally Posted by beefcake

Cool, thanks for all the posts guys. Really helps out. Especially the detail taylor. I'm down from 215 to 205 right now. I'm figuring I can probably cardio my way to 190 and then from there, cut water weight down to 169. Hopefully i'll keep most of my strength at that weight but who knows. I'm 5' 11". Not that tall, but like you said num1, smaller guys are going to have an advantage. My deadlift and squat numbers are pretty good, so hopefully that'll give me an edge for when it comes to slamming guys on the mat.

wow bro your gonna cut around 40lbs? have you tryed that yet? i have no clue but i would think your strength will drop crazy. when you gonna fight? since we are neighbors i would come out and support ya. i have a friend that just won king of the cage heavy weight title. what are you gonna fight in?

[coffee-guy]

Hey Beef -

I would be pissed at you if you lost 40 pounds and then came in and kicked my ass just because you lost a ton of weight in a few weeks. I don't compete, it's just the idea of it. I'm sure it's a common practice I just don't know how fair I think it is...

I'm over 185 now but I pulled up some of my old workouts the other day and figured I would help out.

About 3 years ago...

5'8" - 184 pds

Bench - 225x12, 245x10, 265x8

Shoulder Press - 155x12, 165x10, 175x8

Deadlifts - 405x12, 455x8, 495x6

Squats - 315x12, 365x10, 405x6

Leg Presses (45degree incline) - 945x12, 1035x8, 1125x6

I fluctuate between 200-205 now but I would say the weights have only increased by about 20%-25%. I took about 2-3 years off but when I came back I knew a ton more about my diet etc. I had dropped below 185 for quite some time in my absence from the weight room so it took me a few months to get where I'm at now. I hope to start a cycle in the next year or two but my goal is to reach 215-225 natural first Best of luck...

[beefcake]

Originally Posted by ROCKETW19

wow bro your gonna cut around 40lbs? have you tryed that yet? i have no clue but i would think your strength will drop crazy. when you gonna fight? since we are neighbors i would come out and support ya. i have a friend that just won king of the cage heavy weight title. what are you gonna fight in?

It's fight fest on november 26th in fairfield. I'm undecided on whether i'm going to have time to do it though. I have to drop 12lbs of body weight from now until then. And then cut the water weight before weigh in. Either that or come in at the 205 weight class. So far my strength is still the same so guess we'll see what happens after a few more pounds. I'll keep ya posted bro.

[beefcake]

Originally Posted by fog_hat1981

Hey Beef -

I would be pissed at you if you lost 40 pounds and then came in and kicked my ass just because you lost a ton of weight in a few weeks. I don't compete, it's just the idea of it. I'm sure it's a common practice I just don't know how fair I think it is...

I'm over 185 now but I pulled up some of my old workouts the other day and figured I would help out.

About 3 years ago...

5'8" - 184 pds

Bench - 225x12, 245x10, 265x8

Shoulder Press - 155x12, 165x10, 175x8

Deadlifts - 405x12, 455x8, 495x6

Squats - 315x12, 365x10, 405x6

Leg Presses (45degree incline) - 945x12, 1035x8, 1125x6

I fluctuate between 200-205 now but I would say the weights have only increased by about 20%-25%. I took about 2-3 years off but when I came back I knew a ton more about my diet etc. I had dropped below 185 for quite some time in my absence from the weight room so it took me a few months to get where I'm at now. I hope to start a cycle in the next year or two but my goal is to reach 215-225 natural first Best of luck...

Thanks for the details bro. That really helps. Ya, sometimes I start thinking to myself that it's cheating coming in heavier than your opponent and it makes me just want to come in normal. But it's getting increasingly more common so if I came in normal, i'd be up against a guy who probably cut water and is heavier than me.

[BBAddict]

Originally Posted by beefcake

But it's getting increasingly more common so if I came in normal, i'd be up against a guy who probably cut water and is heavier than me.

It's super common, even in high school wrestling, to cut weight for weigh-ins and then rehydrate and eat a bunch before the match. I have a fight 10/15, but I can weight in 10/14 at noon, so I'll dehydrate and then begin rehydrating and refueling right after weigh-ins, so I'll come in plenty over my weigh-in weight. If everybody else does it then that's what I'll do to stay competitive.

[coffee-guy]

Don't get me wrong, I understand the concept. I'm just not sure it's worth it. There are lot's of things out there that I admire and respect, I just wouldn't do them and I may or may not agree with them. To each his own I suppose. I'm into motorcycles/racing/skydiving and other extreme sports in general and some people swear I'm stupid because those types of things are dangerous etc.

Best of luck though to anyone who can perform at this level of competition. I do admire it...

The only way to stay competitive is to cut as much wgt as possible and still retain strength... it starts in H.S. training methods and progresses from there

K