Training Questions

[JUICE]

I got a question for you all. What you all think of this? I got a 15 year old cousin whom I was training in the gym. His stats are as followed: age 15, 195lbs, and a height of 5'10'' and growing. He has been working out for 2 years or so and used to play football and baseball, hes a big dude.

My question is he joined the gym with me around 3 months or so. I was teaching him the basics in train, for instance:
Mondays: chest and triceps (3 different exercises and 2-3 sets of each
Tuesdays: back and biceps (exercises and sets as above)
Wednesdays: cardio
Thursdays: Legs (bump)
Friday: Shoulders (bump)

The weight he was doing was mid-heavy, not too heavy just weight he can pound a good amount of reps.



The thing is now that he is training with my sisters bf. He too is a big boy but has good genetics. So he trains differently and all. The thing is he has my little cousin training some bodyparts twice a week and doing as much as 4-5 different exercises with 4-5 sets. Another thing is that they been supersetting the exercises and all. I tell him, he has him doing too much for a beginner. I explained to my cousin on the issues of overtrainging and all, diet, etc. The only thing I was doing was showing him the basics so he can built a solid foundation for his frame. Is it too much what my sisters bf has him doing? Like I dont have to care about this and let my little cousin choose to whomever he wants to train with but im trying to help him out.

[alwaysgrowing]

we all to have make our own mistakes. so just keep on trying to help him if you feel you are right. if he is overtraining, he will find out eventually. experience is the key to life

[THE BOUNCER]

different things work for different people. some respond better to high reps, some to heavy, etc.. let him see for himself. he may respond well to it and he may not. in that type os situation, you just have to let him see for himself.

[JUICE]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

different things work for different people. some respond better to high reps, some to heavy, etc.. let him see for himself. he may respond well to it and he may not. in that type os situation, you just have to let him see for himself.

Originally Posted by alwaysgrowing

experience is the key to life

very true, experience is the key. Reason I made the post was because Ive gone through trial and error through the years, mostly during my teenage year. Im close to 26 and know what really works for me now and if I can teacher others shortcuts or even the proper way, makes me feel good cause I can help others.

But yup people respond differently though. My sisters bf and another friend of mine grow fast without eating alot nor training hard. I guess they got good genetics. But I will let my little cousin see it for himself though. Thanks guys.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by JUICE

very true, experience is the key. Reason I made the post was because Ive gone through trial and error through the years, mostly during my teenage year. Im close to 26 and know what really works for me now and if I can teacher others shortcuts or even the proper way, makes me feel good cause I can help others.

But yup people respond differently though. My sisters bf and another friend of mine grow fast without eating alot nor training hard. I guess they got good genetics. But I will let my little cousin see it for himself though. Thanks guys.

ya, at 15 he probably thinks the more he works out the better. chest 5 days a weak must work! lol. just like you or me or anyone. you cant be told what to do. human nature is to learn for ourselves. you can guide him but ultimately, he will learn himself.

[Stonecold54]

Originally Posted by JUICE

I got a question for you all. What you all think of this? I got a 15 year old cousin whom I was training in the gym. His stats are as followed: age 15, 195lbs, and a height of 5'10'' and growing. He has been working out for 2 years or so and used to play football and baseball, hes a big dude.

My question is he joined the gym with me around 3 months or so. I was teaching him the basics in train, for instance:
Mondays: chest and triceps (3 different exercises and 2-3 sets of each
Tuesdays: back and biceps (exercises and sets as above)
Wednesdays: cardio
Thursdays: Legs (bump)
Friday: Shoulders (bump)

The weight he was doing was mid-heavy, not too heavy just weight he can pound a good amount of reps.



The thing is now that he is training with my sisters bf. He too is a big boy but has good genetics. So he trains differently and all. The thing is he has my little cousin training some bodyparts twice a week and doing as much as 4-5 different exercises with 4-5 sets. Another thing is that they been supersetting the exercises and all. I tell him, he has him doing too much for a beginner. I explained to my cousin on the issues of overtrainging and all, diet, etc. The only thing I was doing was showing him the basics so he can built a solid foundation for his frame. Is it too much what my sisters bf has him doing? Like I dont have to care about this and let my little cousin choose to whomever he wants to train with but im trying to help him out.

he will respond fine for his "novice" stage, then it will catch up to him and he will find that he needs to take "breaks" in his training cuz of nagging injuries and "tiredness" never realizing that his training is the culprit. most people never realize it and actually think that more training is the answer and then the vicsious cycle begins. have him read a book on stress physiology if he at all a reader.

[nda246]

The best would probably be an upperbody/lower body split MWF or every other day. On upper body day do a horizontal push and a horizontal row the first time then the next upper body work out do a vertical push with a vertical pull (do chin ups not lat pull down). Then just add an assistance movement or two (delts, arms, whatever you want...)

For lower day do squat one day then deadlift the next (assuming the coach is a good teacher) followed by an exercise that stresses the hamstring, glute, and low back (45* back extensions, SLDL, GHR).

The above should be staples and other movements can be added but most of the things added should be low CNS suff on days off like tempo runs and light intervals (sled dragging) to build a good GPP base

Make sure the movements are compound movements, not isoloation movements.
Make sure form comes before ego.
Make sure to get a good strength base before adding things to the program.
Feed the kid and make him work hard at this and he will grow like a weed.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by nda246

The best would probably be an upperbody/lower body split MWF or every other day. On upper body day do a horizontal push and a horizontal row the first time then the next upper body work out do a vertical push with a vertical pull (do chin ups not lat pull down). Then just add an assistance movement or two (delts, arms, whatever you want...)

For lower day do squat one day then deadlift the next (assuming the coach is a good teacher) followed by an exercise that stresses the hamstring, glute, and low back (45* back extensions, SLDL, GHR).

The above should be staples and other movements can be added but most of the things added should be low CNS suff on days off like tempo runs and light intervals (sled dragging) to build a good GPP base

Make sure the movements are compound movements, not isoloation movements.
Make sure form comes before ego.
Make sure to get a good strength base before adding things to the program.
Feed the kid and make him work hard at this and he will grow like a weed.

good post.