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The_Grinder · #1 11-15-07, 07:47 PM

Squats that is. Holy hell and I felt it today. I usually do working sets with like 300 or so going down to parallel. Today I started going ATG and I could only do 225 5x. WOOT? Haha, anyhow got a few questions.

1) How long will it take me to get my lifts back to where they were just going to parallel?

2) When I go ATG I feel like my knees may be going past my toes. Can't be exactly sure cuz I work out alone and I cant really see it. How big of a problem is this and how likely is it that I'm doing it?

3)And also I usually do squats and deadlifts both on leg day but today after doing deep squats my DL sucked balls! Should I move DL to back day?

As always thanks.

ROCKILLER · #2 11-15-07, 07:51 PM

I've been swapping out squats and deads every other leg day. It gets to be too much doing both. the rest of the leg work is the same every leg day though.

Chadd77 · #3 11-16-07, 06:01 AM

Yeah, I don't know how the hell you can do squats and DL on the same day. I think I would definitely puke!

rado · #4 11-16-07, 07:43 AM

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Yeah, I don't know how the hell you can do squats and DL on the same day. I think I would definitely puke!

Ditto...Too much on the body...Try box squats if you want power.

The_Grinder · #5 11-16-07, 07:52 AM

Yeah i reckon just going to parallel on the squats i still had just enough in me to do the DLs and lunges, but going deep i had no chance. i had people lookin at me cuz i was coughin and hackin with my head up against the wall. so is it cool to do the DLs on back day and squats 3 days later on leg day or do i need to alternate weeks?

rado do you to box squats to supplement deep squats or are they your primary squatting motion?

**Shibby** · #6 11-16-07, 07:54 AM

1) How long will it take me to get my lifts back to where they were just going to parallel? There is no way to say. It always going to be different for everyone.

2) When I go ATG I feel like my knees may be going past my toes. Can't be exactly sure cuz I work out alone and I cant really see it. How big of a problem is this and how likely is it that I'm doing it? I have never found info on why your knees can't go past your toes a little when going deep. I think it's more of a typical behavior, that if your knees are going forward to much you are coming to far off your heels. So with deep squats I think it's more just making sure your feet stay flat.

3)And also I usually do squats and dead lifts both on leg day but today after doing deep squats my DL sucked balls! Should I move DL to back day? I can never do both on the same day and hit them both well.

rado · #7 11-16-07, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Grinder

Yeah i reckon just going to parallel on the squats i still had just enough in me to do the DLs and lunges, but going deep i had no chance. i had people lookin at me cuz i was coughin and hackin with my head up against the wall. so is it cool to do the DLs on back day and squats 3 days later on leg day or do i need to alternate weeks?

rado do you to box squats to supplement deep squats or are they your primary squatting motion?

I do both bro...Actually did them last night...Box squats is how you build power...I do deep squats(All the way down to the floor and pause for about a 1/2 second)then come up; no bounce...for the stretching of my tendons/ligs/muscles/etc...I do this with 225lbs; no more...this is my warm up...Then I grab the box in the gym(which is about 16-18" high and squat...When I come down, I "touch" the box, DO NOT SIT...This will fuck up your discs in your spine...I go all the way to 455lbs and do about 7 reps; no more...I max out(on everything)about every 2 months or so.

I train like a pwr lifter does too; complete different system than most do...

smackerthebull · #8 11-16-07, 11:58 AM

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Squats that is. Holy hell and I felt it today. I usually do working sets with like 300 or so going down to parallel. Today I started going ATG and I could only do 225 5x. WOOT? Haha, anyhow got a few questions.

LMAO dude, cause I've been right where you're at. I got a nice reality check when I got to college and my strength coach started making me go deep. I couldn't believe at the time how much different deep squats where from parallel. It'll take a little while for your body to get used to it. For me, it was about 3 months before I was back up and I was doing legs twice a week then. Alot of athletes I trained seemed to have more issues with flexibility. It wasn't necessarily a strength problem it's just their body wasn't used to stretching down that deep and still controlling the weight that was on their shoulders, but as their flexibility increased so did the weight.

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2) When I go ATG I feel like my knees may be going past my toes. Can't be exactly sure cuz I work out alone and I cant really see it. How big of a problem is this and how likely is it that I'm doing it?

I'd just say make sure your sitting on your heels when you go down, and pressing through the heels on the way up. Stay away from the ball of your foot. This should keep your knees from traveling to a minimum. If you don't have anyone to critique you then you can always critique yourself in the mirror. Play with different stances and find which one allows you to get deep but with your knees behind your toes and your chest up. I'm not sure what the exact scientific reason why knees over toes is frowned upon, but I know doing so puts unwanted pressure on my knees, plus it seems to take away from my hamstrings and doesn't feel as powerful of a driving position.

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And also I usually do squats and deadlifts both on leg day but today after doing deep squats my DL sucked balls! Should I move DL to back day?

I do both, always have, I switch every few weeks between deads and another lift called a clean pull. and switch between normal(deep) to front or split squats, but my background is also more in pwr and strength, so I try to seperate compound and isolation workouts.