New workout idea

[dna9488]

I was thinking about how your body adapts to workouts. Anywhere from lifting to cardio. I was thinkin about shocking my entire body like this:

1 week (Mon-Fri) of straight cardio, and doing abs twice a week (tues & thurs) ex: Running, eliptical, swimming, racketball, basketball, bike riding, treadmill, etc...

For a week straight i would do cardio and keep a high protein diet


than another week i would lift heavy, with no cardio (just a quick 5-10 warm-up) keep that diet high in protein

I would keep alternating each week, 1 week cardio, 1 week lifting. Do this for a few months than back to reg. training.

F i were to shock my body like this, would it help me get cut up and keep my muscle mass????

[Stonecold54]

Originally Posted by dna9488

I was thinking about how your body adapts to workouts. Anywhere from lifting to cardio. I was thinkin about shocking my entire body like this:

1 week (Mon-Fri) of straight cardio, and doing abs twice a week (tues & thurs) ex: Running, eliptical, swimming, racketball, basketball, bike riding, treadmill, etc...

For a week straight i would do cardio and keep a high protein diet


than another week i would lift heavy, with no cardio (just a quick 5-10 warm-up) keep that diet high in protein

I would keep alternating each week, 1 week cardio, 1 week lifting. Do this for a few months than back to reg. training.

F i were to shock my body like this, would it help me get cut up and keep my muscle mass????

I don't think it would work because your "Shock" would be to general. If you want to shock something in your routine you need to focus on a goal. like when I looked at my chest and was not happy with it, I gave myself 3-4 weeks/workouts to kick its ass. If I wanted to get my cardio ramped up for something I would do heavy interval trainings for a couple weeks before the intended event. you can even cycle protein (I can find an article) to make it more effective to your body (because like everything your body can adapt even to nutrition).

[dna9488]

Originally Posted by Stonecold54

I don't think it would work because your "Shock" would be to general. If you want to shock something in your routine you need to focus on a goal. like when I looked at my chest and was not happy with it, I gave myself 3-4 weeks/workouts to kick its ass. If I wanted to get my cardio ramped up for something I would do heavy interval trainings for a couple weeks before the intended event. you can even cycle protein (I can find an article) to make it more effective to your body (because like everything your body can adapt even to nutrition).

Ya thats what i heard, my body has definately adapted to my diet. I have read ur chest workout plenty of times, but haven't performed it. Its just that i am holding shitloads of water, and my weight has suffered. i began a bulking cycle in Dec. but now its time to get rid of the fat and excess water.

One thing i don't get is i am still defined and my waist is still the same, but i went from 190 to 212 in 2months. My midsection on my stomach is wider, and definition there is gone.

Because of this fuckin semester i only get 6-7 hours of sleep a nite, haven't done legs in 4 weeks. My diet has been fine though, i am actually eatin in school every 2 hours and at home every 3 hours.

[THE BOUNCER]

That might be something you want to try once but its really no type of program to get big on.

[Control]

Post your diet and training routine. You have alot more mass to gain, and you're age you should be seeing steady gains with a basic routine and diet.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by Control

Post your diet and training routine. You have alot more mass to gain, and you're age you should be seeing steady gains with a basic routine and diet.

agreed. i have never messed around with these crazy "shock" type programs. my training has never really changed. heavy, intense, and controlled.

[dna9488]

Originally Posted by Control

Post your diet and training routine. You have alot more mass to gain, and you're age you should be seeing steady gains with a basic routine and diet.

Mass is not a problem for me to gain. Its the extra fat and water that comes with these gains. I'll gain the mass, keep my waist the same, and than i bloat up like a balloon.

I will post up my diet and routine either 2nite or tomm. I have shitloads of hw and studyin 2day.

[Control]

Originally Posted by dna9488

Mass is not a problem for me to gain. Its the extra fat and water that comes with these gains. I'll gain the mass, keep my waist the same, and than i bloat up like a balloon.

I will post up my diet and routine either 2nite or tomm. I have shitloads of hw and studyin 2day.

So what are your goals exactly? If you're not trying to gain any mass, and you just want to get cut without losing any muscle than that's gonna put you around 190 or so. At 6' 190 it sounds like you're going for the "Men's Health"/Model look. Is that what you're after?

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by dna9488

Mass is not a problem for me to gain. Its the extra fat and water that comes with these gains. I'll gain the mass, keep my waist the same, and than i bloat up like a balloon.

I will post up my diet and routine either 2nite or tomm. I have shitloads of hw and studyin 2day.

the extra fat and water is controlled by diet and cardio, not training.

[dna9488]

Originally Posted by Control

So what are your goals exactly? If you're not trying to gain any mass, and you just want to get cut without losing any muscle than that's gonna put you around 190 or so. At 6' 190 it sounds like you're going for the "Men's Health"/Model look. Is that what you're after?

Honestly, my goals realisticly are to keep my muscle mass and drop the bf to be anywhere between 10-13%

In time i want to maintain that bf% and keep gaining muscle. I am hoping the time i hit 25yrs of age, i will be at that bf% with my weight around 220-230lbs.
I will keep myself natural and than at that age i might go ahead and use gear.

B4 my bulking cycle i was at 192 with 13-14%bf. B4 my semester ended in December i was at that.

Over that month and half break inbetween semester i shot my protein intake sky high, gettin about 250g-300g of protein a day. i also was eating burgers about 3 times a week. I was forcing meals down left and right. I was also pushing myself harder, and within 2 weeks my gains went up.

Now i want drop that fat and water i gained, and keep that muscle mass. I honestly need to change my workout regement, but becuz of tis semester i can't.

My friends that saw my when this semester started said i look huge and thick. A few asked f i was taking gear

Mondays r arms
Tues are shoulders and abs
Wed break
Thurs Chest
Fri Back
Sat Legs (i haven't been able to hit legs becuz of running errands all day)

I don't want to workout legs on Sunday becuz i usually hit my legs soo hard that i can't walk correctly the next day. And i want to be able to do my pre-workout cardio on mondays.

[dna9488]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

the extra fat and water is controlled by diet and cardio, not training.

I completely agree with you on this subject. I figured out that my issue is cardio. My body has adapted to my 15min cardio sessions and when this semester is over i am gonna switch to this routine:

Mon- Chest and Back
Tues- Cardio and abs
Wed- Bi's and Tri's
Thurs- Cardio and abs
Fri- Legs and shoulders

I plan on taking summer classes and working part-time. So f i need to i will adjust this. but so far this will be my workout plan when the semester ends.

[Control]

Originally Posted by dna9488

Honestly, my goals realisticly are to keep my muscle mass and drop the bf to be anywhere between 10-13%

In time i want to maintain that bf% and keep gaining muscle. I am hoping the time i hit 25yrs of age, i will be at that bf% with my weight around 220-230lbs.
I will keep myself natural and than at that age i might go ahead and use gear.

B4 my bulking cycle i was at 192 with 13-14%bf. B4 my semester ended in December i was at that.

Over that month and half break inbetween semester i shot my protein intake sky high, gettin about 250g-300g of protein a day. i also was eating burgers about 3 times a week. I was forcing meals down left and right. I was also pushing myself harder, and within 2 weeks my gains went up.

Now i want drop that fat and water i gained, and keep that muscle mass. I honestly need to change my workout regement, but becuz of tis semester i can't.

My friends that saw my when this semester started said i look huge and thick. A few asked f i was taking gear

Mondays r arms
Tues are shoulders and abs
Wed break
Thurs Chest
Fri Back
Sat Legs (i haven't been able to hit legs becuz of running errands all day)

I don't want to workout legs on Sunday becuz i usually hit my legs soo hard that i can't walk correctly the next day. And i want to be able to do my pre-workout cardio on mondays.

Well, here's my opinion. This is just how I see things so don't get offended or anything, I'm not trying to tell you your "wrong" or say that you're "dumb" or anything.

If your eventual goal is to be a cut 230, I would continue to bulk. Unless you're trying to compete or model or something in the near future, I would take adavantage of the natural testosterone you have and stay in mass gaining mode for awhile. Don't get too fat, but at your age I would be gaining mass and not worrying about stuff like water weight for right now. The more muscle you have the more fat your body burns so it makes sense to gain muscle first, then worry about fat. With your stats I wouldn't be trying to get cut without losing muscle, I'd be trying to gain muscle without losing fat. It sounds like you have good genetics for gaining muscle so you shouldn't have to wait long before you start cutting.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by Control

Well, here's my opinion. This is just how I see things so don't get offended or anything, I'm not trying to tell you your "wrong" or say that you're "dumb" or anything.

If your eventual goal is to be a cut 230, I would continue to bulk. Unless you're trying to compete or model or something in the near future, I would take adavantage of the natural testosterone you have and stay in mass gaining mode for awhile. Don't get too fat, but at your age I would be gaining mass and not worrying about stuff like water weight for right now. The more muscle you have the more fat your body burns so it makes sense to gain muscle first, then worry about fat. With your stats I wouldn't be trying to get cut without losing muscle, I'd be trying to gain muscle without losing fat. It sounds like you have good genetics for gaining muscle so you shouldn't have to wait long before you start cutting.

agreed. everyone want to "bulk while cutting" and then they continue to look to look the same for 5 years because they dont want to eat to much but they dont want to eat too little. i believe this is also newbiechris's problem. you guys have 2 goals in mind and you go back in forth in what you want. like control said, bulk, then cut. not both.

[NewbieChris]

I would agree Bounce. I just decided to focus on cutting for right now DNA. I even incorporated a more cardiovascular workout into my routine just to try something new. I lost 3 pounds and it actually stayed off this week. So, I'm a happy man now. I don't know how much I would recommend a workout like the one I am using right now, but it worth consideration if you are thinking you want to cut.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by NewbieChris

I would agree Bounce. I just decided to focus on cutting for right now DNA. I even incorporated a more cardiovascular workout into my routine just to try something new. I lost 3 pounds and it actually stayed off this week. So, I'm a happy man now. I don't know how much I would recommend a workout like the one I am using right now, but it worth consideration if you are thinking you want to cut.

just keep at it. its always greener on the other side. for example, when i cut and get real lean i feel weak and small in the gym and i want to bulk. then when i bulk i feel bloated and fat and i want to cut. you have to look at the bigger picture and not the now.

[NewbieChris]

Yea, the Jones...fuck them. haha. I am just dying to get down right now. I think that has helped a lot. I'm nervous about losing muscle mass, but at the same time I'm thinking how nice it would be to be lean.

[dna9488]

Originally Posted by NewbieChris

Yea, the Jones...fuck them. haha. I am just dying to get down right now. I think that has helped a lot. I'm nervous about losing muscle mass, but at the same time I'm thinking how nice it would be to be lean.

A lot of my friends are lean at 150-160lbs. It doesn't look good to me. Its basically bone. They can't lift for shit, all they do is cardio 5 days a week, and than after 30-45min of cardio, they expect themselves to lift like an animal.

Like when it comes to the summer time, i sorta get jealous to see a bunch of ripped guys at the beach, but than again i thnk to myself and say, 3/4 of pep can't lift for shit.

[dna9488]

Originally Posted by Control

Well, here's my opinion. This is just how I see things so don't get offended or anything, I'm not trying to tell you your "wrong" or say that you're "dumb" or anything.

If your eventual goal is to be a cut 230, I would continue to bulk. Unless you're trying to compete or model or something in the near future, I would take adavantage of the natural testosterone you have and stay in mass gaining mode for awhile. Don't get too fat, but at your age I would be gaining mass and not worrying about stuff like water weight for right now. The more muscle you have the more fat your body burns so it makes sense to gain muscle first, then worry about fat. With your stats I wouldn't be trying to get cut without losing muscle, I'd be trying to gain muscle without losing fat. It sounds like you have good genetics for gaining muscle so you shouldn't have to wait long before you start cutting.

No man, i am not offended by your post. There is a lot of logic behind it. thanks for your advice.