goin catabolic?

[ROCKETW19]

what can I do to try and prevent myself from going catabolic durring super high intence cardio. Is there something I can eat or drink before, or is it just what it is?

[ROCKETW19]

I guess I should of gave you a idea of what I do now.
wake up
9:00am eat 6 egg whites 2 whole eggs. drink shake with oats, natty PB, bananna, flax oil, whey protein.
11:00am intence cardio
12:00noon some days more cardio
I drink virtagro and whey after cardio then go about my daily meal plan but is there something Im not doin right?

[fog_hat1981]

That would probably work for me - what is it doing for *you* though? Are you losing muscle with it now or just afraid you might?

[THE BOUNCER]

its only a brief period during the day so i wouldn't worry about it. everyone has periods like that during the day.

[Stonecold54]

Originally Posted by ROCKETW19

what can I do to try and prevent myself from going catabolic durring super high intence cardio. Is there something I can eat or drink before, or is it just what it is?

I guess I don't understand your question....are you using the term to mean long term muscle loss? or like actually DURING your cardio do you believe you are "burning" muscle? if you have carbs and fats in your system then your body won't burn protein. however if you are talking catabolic as in overtraining then that is a whole nother statement.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by Stonecold54

I guess I don't understand your question....are you using the term to mean long term muscle loss? or like actually DURING your cardio do you believe you are "burning" muscle? if you have carbs and fats in your system then your body won't burn protein. however if you are talking catabolic as in overtraining then that is a whole nother statement.

yea, i dont know what he is really asking either.

[ROCKETW19]

Originally Posted by Stonecold54

I guess I don't understand your question....are you using the term to mean long term muscle loss? or like actually DURING your cardio do you believe you are "burning" muscle? if you have carbs and fats in your system then your body won't burn protein. however if you are talking catabolic as in overtraining then that is a whole nother statement.

well at first I was askin about durring but my next question would of been overtraining. I feel alot weaker in my regular workouts witch happen at 4:00pm.
for my first question Im ok as long as I have my shake and eggs. what if I went before eating anything? Im guessing that would eat up muscle?
second question about overtraining, will I just get used to it?

[Stonecold54]

Originally Posted by ROCKETW19

well at first I was askin about durring but my next question would of been overtraining. I feel alot weaker in my regular workouts witch happen at 4:00pm.
for my first question Im ok as long as I have my shake and eggs. what if I went before eating anything? Im guessing that would eat up muscle?
second question about overtraining, will I just get used to it?

used to it, god I hope not. I would avoid it at all cost . are you training for something specific? two cardio sessions a day and gym time at 4? how many days a week?

[ROCKETW19]

Originally Posted by Stonecold54

used to it, god I hope not. I would avoid it at all cost . are you training for something specific? two cardio sessions a day and gym time at 4? how many days a week?

I should of been more specific.
monday I train at 11:00 to 12:00 kick boxing at 4:00 I do chest and tris

tuesday 4:00 I do legs (quads and calfs)

wednessday 11:00 to 12:00 kick boxing at 4:00 I do back and bis

thursday 4:00 I do shoulders, hammys, traps

friday 11:00 to 12:00 kick boxing (sometimes) or

saturday 9:00 to 10:30 gladiator training (mma workout) 11:00 to 12:00 kick boxing.

sunday chill.

friday and saturday are never back to back I pick one or the other depending on how I feel!

[Stonecold54]

Originally Posted by ROCKETW19

I should of been more specific.
monday I train at 11:00 to 12:00 kick boxing at 4:00 I do chest and tris

tuesday 4:00 I do legs (quads and calfs)

wednessday 11:00 to 12:00 kick boxing at 4:00 I do back and bis

thursday 4:00 I do shoulders, hammys, traps

friday 11:00 to 12:00 kick boxing (sometimes) or

saturday 9:00 to 10:30 gladiator training (mma workout) 11:00 to 12:00 kick boxing.

sunday chill.

friday and saturday are never back to back I pick one or the other depending on how I feel!

so I guess I will ask again are you training for something specifically? do you fight? or is it more hobby type stuff? if you don't have something specific you are training for I would back off on the gym (well either way I would back off on the gym if you you are doing that much "Cardio"). I would place more days in between your weight lifting sessions as well at least 2 to 3.

[ROCKETW19]

just for fun im not training for a fight.
do you mean do chest tris on monday then wait 2-3 days before back bis?
Im kinda stuck cuzz I love to fight and I love to lift weights. I need to find a happy medium.
I want the body builder look with the fighter conditioning.

[Stonecold54]

Originally Posted by ROCKETW19

just for fun im not training for a fight.
do you mean do chest tris on monday then wait 2-3 days before back bis?
Im kinda stuck cuzz I love to fight and I love to lift weights. I need to find a happy medium.
I want the body builder look with the fighter conditioning.

hmmm thats tough because fighters are like bodybuilders, they have offseasons and "peak" for a fight. I don't think its possible to keep that type of condition all year round. it inherently brings them to the brink of over-training and hence that is why they only fight 2 to 3 times a year. I guess its just pick and choose what you want. But I will tell you this, i bet (guarantee) that if you reduce your frequency and volume of weight training (but keep the intensity) you will not LOSE anything and in fact will feel better and probably gain better. have more energy for both sports which you love. I think that is a good trade off. I understand the "addiction" side of training and how we all love that feeling but I think focusing on the results sides is even more rewarding. its just a state of mind.

[ROCKETW19]

Originally Posted by Stonecold54

. But I will tell you this, i bet (guarantee) that if you reduce your frequency and volume of weight training (but keep the intensity) you will not LOSE anything and in fact will feel better and probably gain better. have more energy for both sports which you love. .

would you mind writing down a lil something just to give me a Idea to start from?

[Stonecold54]

Originally Posted by ROCKETW19

would you mind writing down a lil something just to give me a Idea to start from?

yeah I am cooking a lasagna right now but I will do it tonight

[ROCKETW19]

Originally Posted by Stonecold54

yeah I am cooking a lasagna right now but I will do it tonight

thanks bro!

[Stonecold54]

Originally Posted by ROCKETW19

thanks bro!

give me an idea what you do in the gym (frequency, volume, amount of time) and how intense your kickboxing and other fighting sessions are (what is involved and stuff....mostly form or sparring, calistenics, etc...)

[ROCKETW19]

workouts with weights are 4 sets 2 lighter sets and 2 heavyer sets 10-12 rep range
depending on the muscle groupe ill do 3 different things example of legs witch I did today.
standing calf raise 5 sets of 12
140 lbs
180 lbs
220 lbs
240 lbs
240 lbs
squats 5 sets of 12
135 lbs
225 lbs
315 lbs
405 lbs
405 lbs
cybex leg press
490 lbs 19 times
580 lbs 19 times
670 lbs 12 times
760 lbs 12 times
seated 1 leg, leg extensions
100 lbs 12
120 lbs 12
140 lbs 8-12
140 lbs 8-12
work out takes 1 hour give or take a few mins.
kick boxing is fuckin crazy they try and kill you most days. 2 of the trainers work on power/combos with mild cardio compared to the other 2 guys that want you to just die.
they train us like we are getting ready for a fight witch some are. this is serious stuff not no messing round.
they pretty much run you ragged for 3 mins with a 30 sec break then back to 3 mins again and again for 1 hour. example would be throw a 3 punch combo with a leg kick for 2.5 mins as hard and as fast as you can then the last 30secs you just punch the bag as fast as you can rest 30 sec drop down and do crunches roll over to push up back to someother fourm of crunches to push ups. rest 30 sec. 10 leg kicks each side for 2.5 mins 30 secs punch as fast as you can rest 30 secs. then run 5 laps ect ect. typing it here dont seem so bad but belive me it is fuckin insane.

[Stonecold54]

ok basically i would only be adjusting your lifting schedule as I think you enjoy your kickbocking, etc... so if you ever change your frequency of THAT in the future you can adjust your lifting accordingly.

basically in your leg workout I would chop 3/4 of it out. Do a good leg cardio warmup 5-10 minutes on your favorite thing (Elliptical, bike, treadmill). small amount of stretching after that, then you can do warmup sets as follows.....assuming you know what your "Working set" weight will be, take about half that for a warmup set. Now for squats or leg press I have no problem with 2-3 warmup sets but they should not be taxing at all and should just be loosening up your body and systems for the working set. so for squats I would hit 135 twice, 225 once and then depending on how you feel go right into your heaviest set to failure (I think we all know the days we can do this, if you think you need another warmup set you can do it, but with cardio and three sets I think you should be good to go). For your legs to I think with all your work you do in the fighting arts then you really need to limit your weighted workouts. so maybe just calf raise, squats and 1 set of extensions. I know when I was doing taekwondo heavily I could not stand to much gym work because of all the repetitive kicks and horse back riding stance. But I made sure the sets I did do I kicked my ass with them to get the most out of them.

as far as the rest of your body. I would put at least 2-3 days inbetween each weight room visit. I know it may seem like not a lot and it will be hard to do but it will be good for your body. And I would try to be in and out of the gym under 45 minutes counting warmup and stretching. limit larger muscle groups to 3 movements at the most with no more than 7 (working) sets total (Chest, back, quads, hams). Small muscle groups should only need 2 movements at the most with 3-5 sets at most (biceps, triceps, shoulders, forearms, calves, upper traps). Like for shoulders doing a superset of front or side laterals with a DB or BB press right after can be an intense workout and it might only last 10 minutes if you do two cycles but if thats all we need then good .

is this freaking you out, lol?

[THE BOUNCER]

maybe stonecold will disagree but i feel like you are trying to go for 2 opposite goals. one being a bodybuilder and the other being a endurance type fighting athlete. i feel like the training and eating styles are very different.

[ROCKETW19]

I agree with alot of this I was thinkin I need to cut out some of the bull shit reps and start my warm up heavyer. I also agree that my legs are getting beat down with all the MMA then lifting. I used to go heavyer on squats but I just dont feel like it anymore since MMA. the rest of my body can take it but I realy feel it in my legs some days.
I dont know if I could take 2 days off between workouts though I wouldnt be able to get my whole body each week. maybe I will skip EOD that will keep me close to every body part per week.
overall there are some good points I will try! some I just mentaly wouldnt be able to do.lol I couldnt skip 2 day between each workout I might try EOD that will be hard enough.
thanks for your time bro.