Seems to be coming together

[Konitz]

This all came about while talking with a friend about how some of our friends need to give up there dreams and stop wasting money on things that they are never going to become great at and just leave them as a recreational activity. We'll I questioned am I being a hypocrite and doing the same thing in regards to the gym spending all this money on food and protein shakes and what not?

I told myself in June after recovering from surgery I am gonna give myself a year of eating and training as close to perfect as possible and If I don't see any above average results it will be time to end the dream of becoming truly big and just stay in shape. As month 7 comes to a close I see that my battle will continue on. I think my results have already been achieved I started of from lying in bed for 4 months at 230lbs 20% BF I ate light and cut down to 220lbs roughly 10-12% (lost more fat but probably muscle came back from not working out for so long simultaneously. Then I just upped the intake of all my clean foods and sit at 240lbs with the same body composition as when I as at 220lbs. In these next 5 months I will be curious to see how much farther I can go, but my main question has anyone else had that same thing cross your mind?

[THE BOUNCER]

na, i dont think i could even go to the gym if it was "just to stay in shape". that type of attitude just wouldnt work for me.

[Konitz]

Honestly what made me think of this was in Bigger, Stronger, Faster there is that old guy living in the van that was like someday someone will notice me and I will be all set.

I know now after being outta school and having the income to support the proper diet and training I am hooked for life and also because I am in that category that was lucky enough to have a body that nets me faster results than most in the gym.

[THE BOUNCER]

i never saw the movie but i can tell you the old guy was flawed in a critical area. he didnt understand that you can do other things like make money and still train hard and get big etc..

you act as if its all or nothing. thats not true. you can have a life, enjoy things etc.. and still train and eat etc..

[the art of war]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

i never saw the movie but i can tell you the old guy was flawed in a critical area. he didnt understand that you can do other things like make money and still train hard and get big etc..

you act as if its all or nothing. thats not true. you can have a life, enjoy things etc.. and still train and eat etc..

^ huge bump - that's the only reason I came back to lifting after YEARS of chasing fake happiness, the balance I had / have with my life lifting is not even comparable to any other style of living. If you aren't a genetic monster , except it - enjoy what you do, enjoy the fact you'll still be bigger and stronger (shit prolly faster) than 90% if not more of the people in the gym. Staying fit is a great thing, and this country needs more of it - but bodybuildling, powerlifting, specific goals for sports etc ... these can all be obtained in a healthy manner with a well balanced life, I'd say they are easier to obtain that way personally.

[Konitz]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

i never saw the movie but i can tell you the old guy was flawed in a critical area. he didnt understand that you can do other things like make money and still train hard and get big etc..

you act as if its all or nothing. thats not true. you can have a life, enjoy things etc.. and still train and eat etc..

I like where this thread is going.

That being said, I look at most people over the 70K mark ( And my perspective might be different than most of the country, that's what I would like to find out; might be time to relocate) but these people's jobs are their lives I mean they are traveling more than 50% of the year when they are at home the are so inundated in work they have no time to eat right or train; the money needed to sustain a comfortable life seems to take away from being able to eat/sleep/train.

[Konitz]

Originally Posted by the art of war

If you aren't a genetic monster , except it - enjoy what you do, enjoy the fact you'll still be bigger and stronger (shit prolly faster) than 90% if not more of the people in the gym.

This is my problem whenever I do something I take it to to the extreme edge; I mean I have such a short uncertain time on this earth when I decide to put my time into something I have to squeeze out every last drop of it's usefulness/potential.

[the art of war]

Originally Posted by Konitz

I like were this thread is going.

That said but I look at most people over the 70K mark ( And my perspective might be different than most of the country, that's what I would like to find out; might be time to relocate) but these people's jobs are their lives I mean they are traveling more than 50% of the year when they are at home the are so inundated in work they have no time to eat right or train; the money needed to sustain a comfortable life seems to take away from being able to eat/sleep/train.

I think that's where the dedication comes in first of all. Secondly - that mark is def a north eastern price range, and if you planned to have a family forget it, you would need shitload more than 70k. The traveling tho bro, it's ALL doable - there really is no excuse except yourself, that's why balance is so crucial imo.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by the art of war

^ huge bump - that's the only reason I came back to lifting after YEARS of chasing fake happiness, the balance I had / have with my life lifting is not even comparable to any other style of living. If you aren't a genetic monster , except it - enjoy what you do, enjoy the fact you'll still be bigger and stronger (shit prolly faster) than 90% if not more of the people in the gym. Staying fit is a great thing, and this country needs more of it - but bodybuildling, powerlifting, specific goals for sports etc ... these can all be obtained in a healthy manner with a well balanced life, I'd say they are easier to obtain that way personally.

well said.

[Konitz]

Originally Posted by the art of war

I think that's where the dedication comes in first of all. Secondly - that mark is def a north eastern price range, and if you planned to have a family forget it, you would need shitload more than 70k. The traveling tho bro, it's ALL doable - there really is no excuse except yourself, that's why balance is so crucial imo.

Well I don't ever plan on having a family my parent divorce burned that into my head. I would never risk potentially screwing up a child's life. So that much money would let a single person live quite well. But I don't wanna get into all the money shit too much.

Expand on what you mean by balance.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by Konitz

I like where this thread is going.

That being said, I look at most people over the 70K mark ( And my perspective might be different than most of the country, that's what I would like to find out; might be time to relocate) but these people's jobs are their lives I mean they are traveling more than 50% of the year when they are at home the are so inundated in work they have no time to eat right or train; the money needed to sustain a comfortable life seems to take away from being able to eat/sleep/train.

you do have a point. sana makes about 110k a year and she pretty much works 12 hour days without hardly even a lunch brake.

she does go to the gym in the morning like 3 times a week but its hard for her.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by Konitz

This is my problem whenever I do something I take it to to the extreme edge; I mean I have such a short uncertain time on this earth when I decide to put my time into something I have to squeeze out every last drop of it's usefulness/potential.

well that is an issue you should work on.

because that attitude doesn't = better results.

its great to be dedicated, nothing wrong with that. but if you take it to the point that you leave no room for anything else and have nothing else to give you will either end up like the old man in the van or totally giving up bodybuilding all together because you turned it into a negative.

[the art of war]

balance to me is where you draw the line between everything - to me somethings will never be able to be balanced, I'll never be able to touch some things. But balance in a job, in lifting, in life - these are choices (esp since you are like me and anti marriage / family, fuck that shit dude) - that you can make for yourself. If you want to live 100% for one thing, you will burn out or regret it 20 years from now when you think of the rest of life that past you by. Just think about it in those terms for a bit, might help.

[the art of war]

Originally Posted by Konitz

This is my problem whenever I do something I take it to to the extreme edge; I mean I have such a short uncertain time on this earth when I decide to put my time into something I have to squeeze out every last drop of it's usefulness/potential.

that thinking kept me slammin dope for years bro - now granted we are different people, but I'm saying - you can't live in fear (not trying insult you by phrasing it that way) you have to embrace each day, live that day, squeeze whatever is put in front of you, some things squeeze more than others

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by the art of war

If you want to live 100% for one thing, you will burn out or regret it 20 years from now when you think of the rest of life that past you by. Just think about it in those terms for a bit, might help.

yup, no doubt about it.

you must make room for other things.

think about something you like doing, lets say you like going to the beach. now imagine literally being at the beach 24/7. that shit would get old after about a day no matter how much you scream "i am 100% dedicated to this beach bitch!!"

[Konitz]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

you do have a point. sana makes about 110k a year and she pretty much works 12 hour days without hardly even a lunch brake.

she does go to the gym in the morning like 3 times a week but its hard for her.

I really want to start buying multi-family homes and get renters; a friend I know started that and he hasn't worked in years now. Told my friend we should split a 3 family home live in one section and rent out the other two then in a couple years buy another one; and so on and so on. you get like 5 or 6 of those you'd be pulling about 14,400 a month by doing rough estimates of course without figuring repair expenses. But with my background in housing construction I could do most of the repairs anyways.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by the art of war

that thinking kept me slammin dope for years bro - now granted we are different people, but I'm saying - you can't live in fear (not trying insult you by phrasing it that way) you have to embrace each day, live that day, squeeze whatever is put in front of you, some things squeeze more than others

[Konitz]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

yup, no doubt about it.

you must make room for other things.

think about something you like doing, lets say you like going to the beach. now imagine literally being at the beach 24/7. that shit would get old after about a day no matter how much you scream "i am 100% dedicated to this beach bitch!!"

The "Beach" Master

[the art of war]

Originally Posted by Konitz

I really want to start buying multi-family homes and get renters; a friend I know started that and he hasn't worked in years now. Told my friend we should split a 3 family home live in one section and rent out the other two then in a couple years buy another one; and so on and so on. you get like 5 or 6 of those you'd be pulling about 14,400 a month by doing rough estimates of course without figuring repair expenses. But with my background in housing construction I could do most of the repairs anyways.

that freaks me out - I hope to own my first house end of 25, and have one rented same time, even lined up a landlord etc in the area I'm looking to purchase the rental. I just refuse to take a loan out, so it will be a few.

[Konitz]

You must have a shitload more money than I. No way I could just go buy a house with straight cash.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by Konitz

I really want to start buying multi-family homes and get renters; a friend I know started that and he hasn't worked in years now. Told my friend we should split a 3 family home live in one section and rent out the other two then in a couple years buy another one; and so on and so on. you get like 5 or 6 of those you'd be pulling about 14,400 a month by doing rough estimates of course without figuring repair expenses. But with my background in housing construction I could do most of the repairs anyways.

yea, just remember that to make money you have to spend money. think of the few months you wont have renters etc.. make sure you weigh the options before jumping in head first.

we rent out our townhouse in raleigh and have renters most of the time. but a year and a half ago the renters contract was up and our renters moved out. they fucked the house up a bit. we had to replace the carpets, re paint all the walls, get the dish washer fixed etc.. the renters didnt get their deposit money back but we still had to put out around 4k to fix the place up. on top of that it took 3 months to find new renters to sign a year and a half contract. so during that time we had to pay the mortgage for those 3 months. came out to around 4k on that alone. so if you figure in the 4k for repairs and the mortgage that comes out to 8k for 3 months!

we make money on the place now but we definitely had to put the money out to do so.

[the art of war]

Originally Posted by Konitz

You must have a shitload more money than I. No way I could just go buy a house with straight cash.

just don't take a loan out right bro .. trust me on that. And I have money that I'll use for housing etc, business, not money to blow.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by the art of war

that freaks me out - I hope to own my first house end of 25

i owned my first house at 22 son!

ok its sanas house but its still mine too!

[the art of war]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

yea, just remember that to make money you have to spend money. think of the few months you wont have renters etc.. make sure you weigh the options before jumping in head first.

we rent out our townhouse in raleigh and have renters most of the time. but a year and a half ago the renters contract was up and our renters moved out. they fucked the house up a bit. we had to replace the carpets, re paint all the walls, get the dish washer fixed etc.. the renters didnt get their deposit money back but we still had to put out around 4k to fix the place up. on top of that it took 3 months to find new renters to sign a year and a half contract. so during that time we had to pay the mortgage for those 3 months. came out to around 4k on that alone. so if you figure in the 4k for repairs and the mortgage that comes out to 8k for 3 months!

we make money on the place now but we definitely had to put the money out to do so.

yeah when I was 19 I shared a house w/5 other guys, it was fucking insanity, blew up walls, doors were shattered - shit was out of control. Like I said, you need a good landlord and even while I aim to own the rental in a college town - I will sure as fuck throw any hippy piece of shit out on his ass if he starts to mess with my curtains n what not.

[the art of war]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

i owned my first house at 22 son!

ok its sanas house but its still mine too!

When I own two and the titles are my name and not a chicas, I'll get back to you to brag, right now I'll sit and wait for the months to tick down.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by the art of war

yeah when I was 19 I shared a house w/5 other guys, it was fucking insanity, blew up walls, doors were shattered - shit was out of control. Like I said, you need a good landlord and even while I aim to own the rental in a college town - I will sure as fuck throw any hippy piece of shit out on his ass if he starts to mess with my curtains n what not.

yea, we have a company find the renters and take care of the property for us. we are 600 some miles away from the place so we cant be checking up on it etc..

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by the art of war

When I own two and the titles are my name and not a chicas, I'll get back to you to brag, right now I'll sit and wait for the months to tick down.

dont hate.

[the art of war]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

yea, we have a company find the renters and take care of the property for us. we are 600 some miles away from the place so we cant be checking up on it etc..

yup ... Im aiming for syracuse area and I won't live near that place - I'm going to somewhere I enjoy life. I'd much rather pay the money, and if somebody needs to have knees broken I will call bouncers guido wrecking crew.

[Konitz]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

yea, just remember that to make money you have to spend money. think of the few months you wont have renters etc.. make sure you weigh the options before jumping in head first.

we rent out our townhouse in raleigh and have renters most of the time. but a year and a half ago the renters contract was up and our renters moved out. they fucked the house up a bit. we had to replace the carpets, re paint all the walls, get the dish washer fixed etc.. the renters didnt get their deposit money back but we still had to put out around 4k to fix the place up. on top of that it took 3 months to find new renters to sign a year and a half contract. so during that time we had to pay the mortgage for those 3 months. came out to around 4k on that alone. so if you figure in the 4k for repairs and the mortgage that comes out to 8k for 3 months!

we make money on the place now but we definitely had to put the money out to do so.

The college where I live is always looking for off campus living; and the kids live in these shit holes so you wouldn't even have to keep the shit nice; slum lord style.

[THE BOUNCER]

we had one family renting the place. nice family but fucken dirty. their dog was infested with flees and they had left wet clothes in the washer.

this family had a good income and nice jobs etc..

people are fucken dirty.