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**redsquirrel** · #1 09-20-04, 11:32 AM

Made a bet over the weekend. We gave each other 3 weeks to lose the most BF....and he thinks he's gonna win!!! HA!

This is gonna be soooo fun! I have to lose 2% over 3 weeks. He's gotta lose the same.

I started dieting hard today. Even going to go do some cardio at lunch!!! I'm no carbing for the next 3 weeks...2 carb meals a week.

sana · #2 09-20-04, 11:44 AM

lol - more diet torture?

you'll beat his hiney easily

have fun.

Puddles · #3 09-21-04, 12:31 PM

I guess you'll be in a fantastic mood for the next few weeks, huh?

Good luck!

What does the winner get?

Stonecold54 · #4 09-21-04, 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by Puddles
I guess you'll be in a fantastic mood for the next few weeks, huh?

Good luck!

What does the winner get?

a date with me, so I am praying Red WINS!!!!!!!!!

**redsquirrel** · #5 09-21-04, 01:05 PM

LOL!!!

The winner gets to not feel like a fat ass!! !LOL!!!!

We haven't settled that yet....stone- I'll get back to you on your proposal!

***THE BOUNCER*** · #6 09-21-04, 05:30 PM

NO! Tell him not to loose any more weight!! Isnt he like 190 lbs now?

**redsquirrel** · #7 09-21-04, 06:05 PM

Ummm....about 220, and 12%. Lard ass. His LBM is like 188 or some ridiculous number. He said the other day is now a true middleweight. Oh yeah, glad he paid DC...for nuttin!

***THE BOUNCER*** · #8 09-21-04, 10:24 PM

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Originally posted by redsquirrel
Ummm....about 220, and 12%. Lard ass. His LBM is like 188 or some ridiculous number. He said the other day is now a true middleweight. Oh yeah, glad he paid DC...for nuttin!

Well he is still in better shape than the average guy.

giveitup · #9 03-09-05, 11:32 AM

well some of your hard earned Lean muscle mass will be lost through diet and BF cardio......if you are comfortable with that go for it.

**redsquirrel** · #10 03-09-05, 01:23 PM

You can't lose that much muscle in just 3 weeks. If your diet is where it needs to be as far as protein intake, muscle loss can be kept to a minimum

BBAddict · #11 03-09-05, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by Puddles
I guess you'll be in a fantastic mood for the next few weeks, huh?

I understand now all the comments on RS's mood while dieting. I've been eating the way she recommended for contest prep and have no energy and am moody all the time, but the results are very evident, so its almost worth it!

giveitup · #12 03-10-05, 07:26 AM

I was training this one guy, who ended up 2d in the 2000 mr. connecticut masters...., that lost 8 lbs of lean muscle in 4 weeks....against my recommendation he overtrained in cardio... an lowered too rapidly is caloric intake.. It can be done..... just be careful...

**redsquirrel** · #13 03-10-05, 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by giveitup
I was training this one guy, who ended up 2d in the 2000 mr. connecticut masters...., that lost 8 lbs of lean muscle in 4 weeks....against my recommendation he overtrained in cardio... an lowered too rapidly is caloric intake.. It can be done..... just be careful...

I understand what you're saying. I know firsthand how muscle loss is eminent during a contest diet. But, I was really just doing a 5lb vanity diet for the most part.

**redsquirrel** · #14 03-10-05, 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by BBAddict
I understand now all the comments on RS's mood while dieting. I've been eating the way she recommended for contest prep and have no energy and am moody all the time, but the results are very evident, so its almost worth it!

How is that going for you?

How is the BF???

Has your LBM stayed pretty steady?

Sorry, I've been out of town for the past 10 days...

BBAddict · #15 03-11-05, 06:49 AM

Well, I don't know how its supposed to go, but I have low energy most of the time. When I workout I somehow feel the same in terms of energy levels, so maybe some of it is mental. Today is the first day that I fell kinda sick, which I've been worrying about since I'm pushing myself hard without getting enough food.

I started at about 9.4%bf, 180lbs and am down to about 171. According to the calipers, I'm at about 7%bf. That would imply I've lost about 6lbs of fat and 3lbs of something else. I question whether its muscle mass because the first week I dropped several lbs, which I think was just water. I have heard that going to low carb diets, most people lose a lot of weight in water right away. Also, I don't seem to have lost any strength in the gym. My lifts are all at least as good as they were before I started cutting.

The only problem is that time is moving so slowly! I never thought that these two months would creep by so slowly.

I had one other question for you. When you're cutting, do you ever (are you supposed to ever) have a cheat meal? And if so, can it be anything or should it be a high carb or a high fat or what? Thanks.

giveitup · #16 03-15-05, 09:50 AM

Unless you are competing, you are beginning to head into the danger zone for body fat... Your internal organs need 5% BF to support them. and going below that will reverse all the positive benefits of BBing.... Low carb diets also have a tendency to cause ketosis.... be careful and play smart...

BBAddict · #17 03-15-05, 09:54 AM

I'm not sure what to think about ketosis. I've heard its bad but according to Lyle MacDonald, it is fine to be at low levels of ketosis for extended periods of time. I have ketosis strips to check myself occasionally. I was just doing this to see what it takes to get ready for a contest and to get to a point that I would feel comfortable doing a really intense bulking diet without getting too fat. However, I got laid on my back by a combination of a flu and exhaustion. I think not eating enough and perhaps overtraining just caught up with me. I clearly need to reevaluate some aspects of my training.

**redsquirrel** · #18 03-15-05, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by BBAddict
I'm not sure what to think about ketosis. I've heard its bad but according to Lyle MacDonald, it is fine to be at low levels of ketosis for extended periods of time. I have ketosis strips to check myself occasionally. I was just doing this to see what it takes to get ready for a contest and to get to a point that I would feel comfortable doing a really intense bulking diet without getting too fat. However, I got laid on my back by a combination of a flu and exhaustion. I think not eating enough and perhaps overtraining just caught up with me. I clearly need to reevaluate some aspects of my training.

Some of what you lost could have been water and BF,...and some muscle, it's simply part of the game

You probably could benefit from a carb meal or two, and/ or even a cheat meals. On Thursday, eat this instead of your last meal:

6oz sweet potato w/ 1 tsp.of butter
1 med. banana
1/2c. oatmeal (precooked)
1c. green veggies

See how you feel on Friday, and then we will go from there. We may even throw in a cheat meal late next week. When you do have a cheat mea, it has to be only ONE energy source....either something like steak & eggs with bacon, or like pancakes & syrup..

I honestly think your low energy levels are from the low carbs. What is the cardio and training like right now?

BBAddict · #19 03-15-05, 07:02 PM

The training is 5days/wk. It usually lasts a little longer than I want. I shoot for 45minutes, but it usually goes 1hr. I'm doing
Monday: Hams, calves, cardio
Tuesday: Bis, forearms, abs, cardio
Wednesday: nothing
Thursday: Chest, tris, shoulders, calves
Friday: Quads, abs, cardio
Saturday: Calves, cardio
Sunday: Back (including traps), abs

The cardio has mostly been walking on a treadmill at about 4.2mph at 10%incline for 35-40minutes. I think perhaps something I haven't taken into account is the cardio in the form of taekwando on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. I usually eat right before taekwando and don't know what to eat right afterward. It seems like too short between meals to eat a whole meal again.

I've been doing the cardio immediately following the workout, so the workout lasts about 1.5hrs! Probably doing some things wrong, huh?

**redsquirrel** · #20 03-16-05, 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by BBAddict
The training is 5days/wk. It usually lasts a little longer than I want. I shoot for 45minutes, but it usually goes 1hr. I'm doing
Monday: Hams, calves, cardio
Tuesday: Bis, forearms, abs, cardio
Wednesday: nothing
Thursday: Chest, tris, shoulders, calves
Friday: Quads, abs, cardio
Saturday: Calves, cardio
Sunday: Back (including traps), abs

The cardio has mostly been walking on a treadmill at about 4.2mph at 10%incline for 35-40minutes. I think perhaps something I haven't taken into account is the cardio in the form of taekwando on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. I usually eat right before taekwando and don't know what to eat right afterward. It seems like too short between meals to eat a whole meal again.

I've been doing the cardio immediately following the workout, so the workout lasts about 1.5hrs! Probably doing some things wrong, huh?

IMHO, you're doing too much activity. Period. You are not eating nearly enough calories to sustain those kinds of workouts. Unfortunately, I think you have burned some muscle. No wonder you're feeling so lethargic.

You should cut your cardio back by 1 or 2 days a week. Or stop the taekwondo completely until you're finished with the diet. You also shouldn't be doing cardio right after your workout. Your muscles need time to repair, and by doing cardio right after, you're only prolonging the start of the repair process, as well as expending even more energy.

Short, but mutliple cardio sessions is what seems to be effective for most. Try doing 20 min in PM. Because you started doing so much cardio in the beginning, it will be hard to keep your calories where they need to be and still continue to lose BF and maintain muscle. We'll have to play it by ear, but for now cut back on your cardio and add that carb meal tomorrow.

You are also absolutely overtraining. YOU MUST allow your body to rest. Right now, you are only giving your body one day off per week. With weights and cardio, that's okay when dieting for a show. But when you throw taekwondo in there, it could be distastrous.

BBAddict · #21 03-16-05, 07:00 PM

Done, taekwondo is done for now. I would be very happy to split up lifting and cardio-they sucked to do back to back. Is the amount of weight I'm lifting a decent way to judge muscle loss? I've actually had some personal best lifts in the last two weeks.

Well, I'll change things up and let you know how it goes!

**redsquirrel** · #22 03-17-05, 11:04 AM

The only true way to gauge your muscle/ fat loss is through weekly BF testing and LBM calculations.

That's great you've had your best lifts....but that also may have attributed to your lethargy. Right now is not a time for growth. The time now is to maintain as much muscle as possible, and lose as much BF as possible.

I'm sure you haven't lost as much muscle as you think. Some of it was probably water