clen cycle

[workingmom]

I everyone this is my first post. I am about to start my first cutting cycle and would like any input anyone has to offer. I will be taking clen, t3 and winstrol.

stats are
weight 147
height 5'4"
bf 27%

goal (dec 31 2006)
weight 130-125
bf 17 - 20 %

diet
5 egg whites and 1/2 cup oatmeal
protein shake
chicken salad and veggie
protein shake
lean protein and veggie cottage cheese
protein shake

workout
30-40 minutes lifting 3 days per week
20-30 cardio 5 times a week
abs 20 min 3 days a week

[redsquirrel]

First off, welcome to the board! We need all the ladies we can get!

Second- with your current stats, you SHOULD NOT START ANY WINSTROL, OR T3. Clen is possibility, but based on your BF and weight, you absolutely should not do your first cycle with Winstrol. Anavar, MAYBE; but for sure not Win. Basically, if you are not lean PRIOR to starting and AAS, the Winstrol will only add fat on top of fat. I know you have laid out a diet, but what is the point of doing the Winstrol? Women take Winstrol to GAIN muscle. It won't make you lean, or cut you up. It will, however, deepen your voice, enlarge your clitoris, and give you some serious acne. Too many women think Winstrol is so great. And, my second question, is why winstrol? Why not something a lot less mild with less virilization? With the amount of lifting you have laid out above, the using the Winstrol- or any AAS- is a waste for 2 reasons. 1) you aren't lifting frequently enough to reap the full effects, and 2) you aren't eating enough to build any muscle. Remember- the more muscle you have, the more fat you burn.

Now, as for the T3- this is NOT a magic pill. I know personally from experience, that taking this IS NOT WORTH it. It will seriously F w/ your metabolism, and has pretty bad rebound effects after you stop taking it. Meaning, you will gain weight/BF faster afterwards. T3 is really only good in women when dieting for comps, and can't seem to lose those last few pounds. And even then, they still suffer rebound effects. Trust me on this- the Clen, diet and exercise alone will help boost your metabolism enough to help you lose weight. Combining all of these drugs may work in the beginning, but you will pay for it later.

Now onto the diet and exercise...First of all, it's great you have set a goal for yourself. And it's a short term goal- those are usually much easier to stick to and fulfill. But, for healthy weight loss I want to be straight with you. As far as body fat loss is concerned, it is almost impossible to effectively lose even 1/2% of BF a week. It's difficult for BBer's to lose that on a comp diet, and that's with the help of supplements. Some weeks, your BF may not move at all. That being said, at best you should expect to lose that. So, at the end of Dec., your BF should be about 23%. I just don't want you to get discouraged, but find the motivation to continue!

[FitnessBrat]

Welcome to SM

[workingmom]

I have purchased these as a pachage with specific instructions on how to use this one this week, another one this week and so on a so forth. I was just hoping to get the bf that low but again was probably wishful thinking. All of this is the instructions I was given with the products workout diet and product instructions. Does the diet and workout look for weight loss and bf loss? I am getting very discouraged the progress that I have been seeing in my body. I have been working out for ten months. I have lost 26 pounds but I did that in the first six months and now nothing is working. THank you for your advice. Please if you have any suggestions on how to get through the barrier please help.

[redsquirrel]

Originally Posted by workingmom

I have purchased these as a pachage with specific instructions on how to use this one this week, another one this week and so on a so forth. I was just hoping to get the bf that low but again was probably wishful thinking. All of this is the instructions I was given with the products workout diet and product instructions. Does the diet and workout look for weight loss and bf loss? I am getting very discouraged the progress that I have been seeing in my body. I have been working out for ten months. I have lost 26 pounds but I did that in the first six months and now nothing is working. THank you for your advice. Please if you have any suggestions on how to get through the barrier please help.

Well, as for the package you purchased- Clen and T3 is supposed to be taken every day, or every other day. The Clen and T3 will help you lose weight in the beginning, but it won't be a sustained "long term" weight loss. It will be a short term weight loss, and puts you at risk for permanently doing something to your thyroid, and weight gain after you've finished with it. You can get your BF low, but it's a long arduous process, so just be patient.

If you really want to get your BF 10% lower, it's just going to take a little more time....maybe into Feb of 2007. I know it seems like a long way off, but you've need working out for 10 months now, right? What's another 2 past what you were expecting? The fact that you haven't been working out very long, really enforces my first thoughts- not to do the winstrol. Women take these types of drugs when they have plateaued, yes. But, they take them in order to GAIN MUSCLE....when their bodies stop responding to heavy lifting and a lot of food. And I based on what you've said, I don't think that's what you want to do. I just don't think you'll be happy with what you see. Winstrol is notorious for causing a lot of water weight in women as well. And, when the body holds water, it can masquerade as fat loss and/or muscle gain.

The diet and workout sound pretty decent...the diet is pretty low carb, high protein, and low fat. This WILL help you lose the weight. IMHO, if you're really serious about losing more weight, I would increase the cardio to 40 min 5 times a week. If you have the time, you could split it up into 2 sessions...But I would probably start out doing 40 min 5 x/wk for about 3 weeks, and see how you respond. You could also add another day of lifting in there as well.

Congratulations on losing so much weight. Losing that amount of weight tells me you've been doing it right thus far. So, in order to keep the weight off in the future, you should continue at this pace. What has your diet and exercise plan looked like so far? What type of cardio have you been doing, and for how long? I'll bet there changes we could make so you could see more results. I know it's hard to keep working at it when you aren't seeing results..., so you probably have plateaued. If you aren't constantly challenging your body to change, it won't respond anymore. You're not doing anything wrong. You just have to keep changing what you're doing to your body every couple of months. I don't think that means it's time for the cycle you're suggesting above. I think with some changes, you could see some more results. So, if you could ellaborate on what you've been doing, and how your body responded to the previous 6 months, I think we could figure something out.

[workingmom]

my diet when I was losing was pretty clean i tried to keep the calories between 1300 and 1500 and macros protein 47 carbs 21 fat 28

workout
cardio 20-30 minutes
3 mile per hour 7% incline
abs workout 20 min video

weights 3 times per week
hack squat 270x12 3 sets
leg press 270x12 3 sets
db bench press 30x12 3 sets
db press 20x12 3 sets
pec dec 40x 12 3 sets
curls 20 x12 3 sets
tricep pushdowns 70x12 3 sets
wide grip pull down 60x12 3 sets
cable row 70x12 3 sets
laterral raises 10x12 3 sets

[redsquirrel]

Ok...well based on the info above, it really just looks like you could lose the weight you're wanting by changing the cardio routine. You will definitely see some results if you 1) increase the amount of time, and 2) change the cardio exercise completely. Like I said before, increase it to 40 min 5 x a week. If you can split it into 2 sessions in the day (20 min each) then that may be good as well....But most people will see better results if you do the cardio all at once. And, since you've been going on a treadmill this whole time, try something like the stairmaster or elliptical. You can even do 20 min on the elliptical, and 20 min on the treadmill.

As for your weights, is the workout above, the workout you do every day you go? If that's the case, then you need to change that as well. Try doing something like this:

Mon- Chest &Tri's
Tues-Legs
Thurs-Back & Bi's
Fri- Shoulders/Hams

Starting out, I would say do 2 movements for each body part for 3 sets each for 12 reps. So, like on Monday, do BB benchpress for 3 sets, and then maybe incline DB for 3 sets, and then pick 2 movements for Tri's.

In regards to your diet, you're going to have to be a bit more specific. Many people say they eat clean, when in fact they really don't. And, you said above "when you were losing"....does that mean your diet has changed since you stopped losing? Are you continuing this clean diet, or not?

[workingmom]

On a any given day I would eat really close to the diet that I outlined earlier. I have not been as good on the diet as I could be I know that. Does the diet earlier look good. That is what I plan on doing in the future. I know that is alot of the reason that I have been not been losing. I would definatley like to try doing a split. I will work on one and put one up to see what you think. I am planning to up my cardio starting tomorrow morning to 30 to 40 minytes and will be doing some videos I have at home. It would be hard to do more cardio at the gym because I only have 60-90 minutes on any given day to go to the gym. I will also still be doing the cardio at he gym after my lifting.

[redsquirrel]

Ok...sounds good. The earlier diet looks pretty good for the most part. There are just a couple things I would change:

1) I would only recommend you eat 5 meals...so, I would just drop that last shake at night. While you have the right idea to keep your metabolism burning at a steady rate all day, I think that last shake meal is a waste. Only when women are bulking or competing, IMHO, should they be eating 6 meals. What time do you usually eat meal #5? What time do you eat meal #1? Increasing your fasting time between those meals might help as well.

2) You may want to throw in an actual carb meal once or twice a week for your last meal. Your body can't stay in ketosis too long, otherwise it will start burning muscle instead of fat. Do the above diet for 2 weeks...Then on the 3rd week on Monday and Thursday eat nothing but complex carbs: 6oz sweet potato w/ 2 tsp butter-YUM!, 1 med banana, 1/2c oatmeal & 1c green veggies for your 5th meal.

As for your cardio, if you can- do all of it in the morning if you want. Cardio on an empty stomach is best for fat burning because your body has no glycogen stores before the first meal and can go straight to the fat. And, in all honesty, for the best results, start out w/ doing 40 minutes....You'll get faster results that way. I mean if you're already doing 30 min, what's 10 more? When I do that much cardio at one time, it does make it more bearable if you split up the machines....seems like the time goes faster. Just a little Jedi Mind Trick I like to play on myself!

[workingmom]

sounds good I usually eat my first meal around 7:00 and meal 5 around 5:30 but if it is my last meal of the day I will probably move it to 6:00.

how does this split look

monday
bench press
incline fly
cable pushdown
kneeling cable concentration tricep extension

tuesday
hack squat
leg extension
leg press glute kickback
calf raise on leg press seated calf

thursday
upright row
cable row
wide-grip pull down
bent over row
curl
cable curl
zottman curl

friday
shoulder press
bent over raise on cable
front raises
lying leg curl
lunges

[redsquirrel]

How far are you spacing your meals? Try and get them as close to 3 hours apart as you can, and give yourself a 12 hr fasting time in between your last meal and your first meal the next day; no longer....Like-7am, 10am, 1pm, 4pm, and 7pm for meal times.

As for your workout, it looks pretty good...Just a couple suggestions for your exercises. On Monday, I would sub out that kneeling cable for a free weight exercise like skull crushers or french press. On Tuesday, you really need to add some free squats maybe instead of the hack squat(hack can be really hard on your knees) and I'd also do some lunges. Thursday I would throw in some type of seated DB curl maybe, and Friday I would do some stiff legged dead lifts instead of lunges; because you're already doing them on Tuesday. Lunges aren't that great for developing the hams.

Hope this helps- keep us posted on your progress, and if you have any questions- don't hesitate to ask!