Olympic Sprinter Ben Johnson Would Use Steroids All Over Again

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Lots of shit is discovered by complete mistake. Fermentation itself involved in so many drinks and food today was simply discovered by ancient people's forgetting about a food or liquid and coming back days later to find something unexpected. Same goes for drugs, especially hormones that in some cases we still don't know the exact mechanism of action. Hell drol has been out since 1960 and they still don't know how the fuck it interacts with the estrogen receptor.

The Jamaican drug program may very well be a case of blind luck. It would not be the first time. They don't have to be "more advanced" nessisarily to have stumbled onto an amazing PED that's the US doesn't have.

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Let me ask you this epix. Do you think it's absolutely impossible that Jamaica may have stumbled onto something in the lab maybe even by mistake that is superior to anything our track team has?

It's possible. I'll give you that.

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Let me ask you this epix. Do you think it's absolutely impossible that Jamaica may have stumbled onto something in the lab maybe even by mistake that is superior to anything our track team has?

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You see how easily bolt destroyed some of the world records? Now I'm not saying he isn't genetically amazing. But for fuck sake man, he beat some of those records with minimal effort.

What you have there is a genetic marvel WITH the help of undetectable drugs.

there are for sure major drugs involved too. I absolutely agree with that.

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You see how easily bolt destroyed some of the world records? Now I'm not saying he isn't genetically amazing. But for fuck sake man, he beat some of those records with minimal effort.

What you have there is a genetic marvel WITH the help of undetectable drugs. I believe the Jamaica science program deserves more credit than you are willing to give them. It's possible they discovered a compound even if by mistake that is superior.

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Good discussion though. Im enjoying this topic.

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I would bet you that the amount of people WITH the gene that the US track team has at its disposal is far greater than the amount of people trying out for the Jamaica team.

Well when you can show me that than the point will be moot.But that was only half my argument. the other half was the culture of sprinting. jamaica has a ton of black people, but sucks at basketball. why? because that isnt a sport for the culture like it is for us. they dont have the programs in place like the US does for that to happen or the incentive. But they do have a huge national track program. my point is there are other reasons just besides the genetics as well.

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You isolate usain bolt for a year to guarantee he has no contact with Jamaican team and you'll see a guy that is way down on performance. He'd still be great but not record shattering with ease great.

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I would bet you that the amount of people WITH the gene that the US track team has at its disposal is far greater than the amount of people trying out for the Jamaica team.

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I understand what you are saying. I really do get it. I know the numbers, but its not 320 million considering there has only been 1 white person to break the 10 second barrier in the 100 meter. so there are roughly 39 million black americans. it just so happens that the gene in question only comes from those of east african descent. which is where all the jamicans are from. this lowers that number even more. Because jamaica is so small that gene pool has remained relatively stagnant compared to the U.S.'s.

Yes I agree they are working on a secret drug program. I just dont think theres would hold a candle to some other countries.

read this article Why are Jamaicans so good at sprinting? | Michael Brooks | Opinion | The Guardian

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Thats what their number 1 athletes are participating in, and ours arent. Its simple.

Bro do you understand population difference? They have less than 3 million people in their entire country. We have 320 million. Our track and field program is massive. Most Jamaican kids grow up playing soccer. Track and field is NOT the main sport of Jamaica. Considering the doping history of the Olympics and situations like Balco I cannot believe you struggle with the idea of a secret drug program.

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Thats what their number 1 athletes are participating in, and ours arent. Its simple.

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yes but thats the majority of jamaicas genetic pool vs just part of the US. In the US it has been watered down significantly more. Plus you missed the half about that you need basically no equipment to participate in track and field besides a pair of shoes, whereas other sports are more expensive and not as organized in jamaica.

Just no. There are far more athletes trying out for the US Olympic track and field team. A huge pool of people that get turned down. Only the best of the bunch get selected. Jamaica has literally 1/50th the selection and yet this tiny island utterly destroys the world.

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Slavery brought people to all islands of the Caribbean and everywhere else for that matter. Your telling me that a special group of slaves was taken exclusively to Jamaica? Lmao

America got many more slaves brought here and we have a much wider selection. If you buy the justification of that TV program well I have some ocean front property in AZ to sell you fellas.

yes but thats the majority of jamaicas genetic pool vs just part of the US. In the US it has also been watered down significantly more. Plus you missed the half about that you need basically no equipment to participate in track and field besides a pair of shoes, whereas other sports are more expensive and not as organized in jamaica. I agree if all the NFL players in the US went into track instead of football when they were kids then we would be setting more records and winning more. Its just not like that in the US.

and if the United states cant avoid the doping issues, an inferior technological jamaica can? I am going with my theory over jamiacas super drug

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Slavery brought people to all islands of the Caribbean and everywhere else for that matter. Your telling me that a special group of slaves was taken exclusively to Jamaica? Lmao

America got many more slaves brought here and we have a much wider selection. If you buy the justification of that TV program well I have some ocean front property in AZ to sell you fellas.