Long Low-Moderate Dose cycles

[Androman]

Long Low-Moderate Dose cycles

You over complicate things. Lower your calories keep it clean and you'll get lean no matter if you eat fish or run high doses.

Who's over complicating things, and if you're talking about me; what am I over complicating? Whatever your goal is; that's all calories, that's what I've been saying but thats not what I'm talking about. My point is the drugs, mainly testosterone, and looking good during the process of gaining muscle slowly over time rather than the quick yo-yo effect and spilling over during the "bulk". I don't think you understand what I was trying to get at.


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[Chadd77]

You over complicate things. Lower your calories keep it clean and you'll get lean no matter if you eat fish or run high doses.

[Androman]

Jay cutler has said the same thing. Fish helps him get thin skin and that he only eats fish pre contest.


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[Androman]

Lol

https://youtu.be/wbrlPG6EuhY

Go to 1:21


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[Bouncer]

Lol

[Androman]

No idea wtf you just said. Fish and skin wtf? Lol

Yes a lot of prep coaches say that. I'm actually amazed you haven't heard that; "fish thins your skin". Just how carbs "thicken" you. Etc. what they mean is no fat under the skin. Fish thins your skin, that's obviously not true. But fish is low in calories. You're eating less calories which leads to burning fat which gives the appearance of your skin a thin look. Whereas if you were holding fat and water and you pinched your skin your skin would feel thicker.


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[Bouncer]

No idea wtf you just said. Fish and skin wtf? Lol

[Androman]

A bodybuilder diets for a show right? Why? Why does he restrict calories? Why does he increase calories in the off season to bulk? Do you think this all hoax? I don't understand what you don't understand.

Good point B. That's like saying Fish thins your skin. Fish doesn't thin your skin. Fish has low caloric and high protein content. Fish "thins" the skin because it's light in calories and you'll be eating under deficit.

Same goes for every fat burning diet. Example keto, u eat higher fats low to no carbs and low protein. But fats keep you satiated longer. The more fats you eat the less hungry you're going to be the less calories you're gonna eat. It's all Calories in the end of the day.


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[Bouncer]

Even the science based coaches typically have their clients do mini cuts and mini bulks and they know more than I do. It's just going to take me some time to fully understand, why?

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A bodybuilder diets for a show right? Why? Why does he restrict calories? Why does he increase calories in the off season to bulk? Do you think this all hoax? I don't understand what you don't understand.

[AvidFisherman]

Because I guess that's how the cookie crumbles... I too thought why can't I gain muscle by eating maintenance calories but high protein to help recover and grow muscle. And had a theory that over time you can build slow lean muscle by doing that. But if that were possible I'm sure a lot of people would be doing that already especially those who like staying lean and doing "Lean bulks". Instead of doing this they do calorie cycling. Where on rest days they don't eat as much as they would on training days but at the end of the week they're still hitting their caloric balance for growth. They're just utilizing they're Calories/cArbs more efficiently for and around workouts.


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Even the science based coaches typically have their clients do mini cuts and mini bulks and they know more than I do. It's just going to take me some time to fully understand, why?

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[Androman]

Wtf? How old are you? You remember when you were lips age?

I hear ya Bouncer....he must be an old crusty fucker and using someones picture for an avatar..he slipped up:agreed:



I think he likes Bori's selfies...ya know hes a younger Hispanic type..probably got the hots for him:D

https://media.giphy.com/media/GbPru204dTDfG/200w.gif


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[Androman]

I am trying to wrap my mind around this right now. When people eat a calorie surplus as they are "bulking" why is a calorie surplus necessary? I had a bod pod measurement of my resting metabolic rate which is right below 3,000kcal/day. I estimate my maintenance calories are somewhere around 3,700kcal/day on a typical day. If I take in 1g/lbs of protein this is 300g of protein, if it take in .4g/lbs of fat this is 120g of fat. This leaves me with 1420 calories which is 355g of carbs I can take in to meet my maintenance calories. Why would I need to go above this maintenance macro breakdown to "bulk?" I would think 355g of carbs would be plenty to fully fuel my lifts and daily activities.

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Because I guess that's how the cookie crumbles... I too thought why can't I gain muscle by eating maintenance calories but high protein to help recover and grow muscle. And had a theory that over time you can build slow lean muscle by doing that. But if that were possible I'm sure a lot of people would be doing that already especially those who like staying lean and doing "Lean bulks". Instead of doing this they do calorie cycling. Where on rest days they don't eat as much as they would on training days but at the end of the week they're still hitting their caloric balance for growth. They're just utilizing they're Calories/cArbs more efficiently for and around workouts.


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[lipripper]

Wtf? How old are you? You remember when you were lips age?

I hear ya Bouncer....he must be an old crusty fucker and using someones picture for an avatar..he slipped up:agreed:

I think he likes Bori's selfies...ya know hes a younger Hispanic type..probably got the hots for him:D

[Bouncer]

I do not understand the biology of why we need to. I have been reading studies on gaining muscle mass eating high protein diets accompanied with weight training, but on severe caloric restriction. If people can gain muscle mass doing that, why can't I efficiently bulk eating maintenance? There is only a certain amount of amino acids that can go into your muscles for muscle protein synthesis, there is only a certain amount of glycogen that can enter your muscles and liver and it is not healthy to have a blood glucose level that is constantly high. I am just wondering at what level of consumption do the nutrients you put in your body have diminished returns and is this actually over maintenance?

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this is a classic case of over thinking instead of looking at the obvious.

nobody is gaining muscle on "severe calorie restrictions" for long. go on a a year long "severe calorie restriction" and tell me how much muscle you gained. I don't care what study you read, in the real world it's absolutely wrong.

if your a lean guy and you can't gain weight you need to eat to grow. if you have a ton of bodyfat things are a little different. your body has a lot of fat to use to preserve your muscle. so for example if you go on a severe calorie restriction you may actually hold onto more muscle initially compared to someone with little body fat.

[AvidFisherman]

I do not understand the biology of why we need to. I have been reading studies on gaining muscle mass eating high protein diets accompanied with weight training, but on severe caloric restriction. If people can gain muscle mass doing that, why can't I efficiently bulk eating maintenance? There is only a certain amount of amino acids that can go into your muscles for muscle protein synthesis, there is only a certain amount of glycogen that can enter your muscles and liver and it is not healthy to have a blood glucose level that is constantly high. I am just wondering at what level of consumption do the nutrients you put in your body have diminished returns and is this actually over maintenance?

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