Lab Results. Fucking confuse for the first time

[pgc640]

you might feel better in some ways compared to being on an AI but i would wager you get some unwanted sides with higher estro. i know you've had to drop cycles abruptly a couple times because you don't like how you feel etc.. i would bet it's the estro fucken with your head.

without AI i get emotionaly weird. mood swings, anxiety, extreme highs and lows etc..

maybe your different but i find it hard to believe you don't benefit from controlled estro levels compared to high ones.

Everyone is so different. I mean so different in the way they will react to anything you really cant take what works for one person and assume it will do same for you.
It takes years but, the most important aspect of bodybuilding is learning what works for you. What type of diet, training, and drugs. It makes no diffefence what is great for me or for Mr Olympia it has no relevance to you as an individual. Its a whole lot of trial and error.

As for the AI's I dint touch them either. I have when they first came lut ariund 98 and no one had a clue how to use them.
I just think nimber one, for most, they are just too strong and eliminate way too much estro(estrogen is anabolic you know).unlrss you have avcrss to twice a eeek blood tests i wouldnt use it. Except ptecontest 4 to 6 eeekd out. It loeers your estogrm so much it givrs you s dry look you cant gey without it.
Number two, i simply use 10 mg of noveldex and i get gyno very easily. 10 mhs is rnough even on 1000 mhs of yest to ptrvent gyno.
This is putely a throry, no scientific bssis for it just my oen experience and talking to a whole lot of competitors over tbr Years. Im just about positive that moeering your rstrogen hindets muscle gains. High testostetone + high estrogen equals way more muscle than high test and very low estro.

[Tize]

You should have a good check. In Spain it costs you about € 35 to € 50 if you come and have American insurance, it costs you nothing.
It's very strange what you say, I hope it's not a serious thing.
Greetings.

[boricuarage79]

Sounds like a pretty major flaw to that serm shit. Your on shit thats hard to understand what it's doing, fucken up estro levels from one day to the next and can possibly fuck with adrenal function...

Answer me again why you using that piss?

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I heard from a scientist it's like taking 8ius of GH

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[Bouncer]

Asked T nation. They pretty good when it comes to TRT type shit!! Here was a comment to my post.
Makes sense

"There�s your problem. Toremifene. You cannot test Estradiol accurately while on a SERM.
I also know from personal experience as well. I retested while I was on Toremifene and my estradiol changed from one day to the next or even the same day from a different lab; Went from very low to mid-range.
Although your testosterone is on the low side, it�s still in range. How long have you been on the Torem? You only need 15mg (1/4 tab) twice per week x 4 weeks. More is not better, as it has negative effects on your adrenal function and likely is working against your recovery. I�d stop taking it based on the amount you have already taken. The drug and its metabolites will take about 8 weeks to clear.


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Sounds like a pretty major flaw to that serm shit. Your on shit thats hard to understand what it's doing, fucken up estro levels from one day to the next and can possibly fuck with adrenal function...

Answer me again why you using that piss?

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[boricuarage79]

Asked T nation. They pretty good when it comes to TRT type shit!! Here was a comment to my post.
Makes sense

"There’s your problem. Toremifene. You cannot test Estradiol accurately while on a SERM.
I also know from personal experience as well. I retested while I was on Toremifene and my estradiol changed from one day to the next or even the same day from a different lab; Went from very low to mid-range.
Although your testosterone is on the low side, it’s still in range. How long have you been on the Torem? You only need 15mg (1/4 tab) twice per week x 4 weeks. More is not better, as it has negative effects on your adrenal function and likely is working against your recovery. I’d stop taking it based on the amount you have already taken. The drug and its metabolites will take about 8 weeks to clear.


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[boricuarage79]

you might feel better in some ways compared to being on an AI but i would wager you get some unwanted sides with higher estro. i know you've had to drop cycles abruptly a couple times because you don't like how you feel etc.. i would bet it's the estro fucken with your head.

without AI i get emotionaly weird. mood swings, anxiety, extreme highs and lows etc..

maybe your different but i find it hard to believe you don't benefit from controlled estro levels compared to high ones.

It's useless to run an AI at 150mgs of test only. At least for me. I can't really say what my estrogen levels were during this cycle cause I didn't run any bloods, but I felt fine. Blood pressure was always good. Just bloated in the face and holding mad water, especially in the mid section .Proviron and a lil bit of aromasin helped if I ran at higher doses 500mgs and 400NPP
I wonder how long it takes for estrogen to stabilize once off any aromatisin drug.
I never researched that up
Idk it's fucking weird. Lowest estro I been was 47 while off.
9 doesn't make sense.
Not even the fuckers on reddit can figure it out. R/steroids or R/testosterone

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[Bouncer]

I don't use AI's brother. I feel.better when my estrogens are high

you might feel better in some ways compared to being on an AI but i would wager you get some unwanted sides with higher estro. i know you've had to drop cycles abruptly a couple times because you don't like how you feel etc.. i would bet it's the estro fucken with your head.

without AI i get emotionaly weird. mood swings, anxiety, extreme highs and lows etc..

maybe your different but i find it hard to believe you don't benefit from controlled estro levels compared to high ones.

[pgc640]

I don't use AI's brother. I feel.better when my estrogens are high and I'm not prone to gyno.
My baseline could just be low or the test just sucks.
It was a different doc, but I will go to my normal doc to redo my bloodwork because I asked for a certain blood work and half of the shit I was looking for I.E cholesterol, liver functions weren't even on there.
I agree with the clueless part. My Hematocrit the highest it's ever been you would expect him to give you a pheltomny. He asked if I was dehydrated before they took blood. He didn't seem to concern, but I know it can fuck with you in the long run. Take at least 4 months for HCT to normalize and doesn't make sense jumpin back on test unless I donate or bloodlet.(never had)

Specialist are always helpful, but unfortunately Endos are like a needle in a haystack in germany, but my usual doc can prescribed me testosterone whenever I ask.

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I understand totally. ill only touch AIs startimg 6 weeks from contest. Otherwose im fine on a little noveldex
You are in a strange situation hatd to give answer. Good luck though.
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[boricuarage79]

General Practitioner, Internests snf NP's, PA's sre basically, for the most part useless. Not only in Germany, everywhere.
Specialists are usually on the ball becsuse, they study a single area of medicine snd ignore the rest.
It sounds like residual effects from a previous cycle.
The only explanation I have for the Estrogen being low is, possibly, you used too high a dose of an AI, it wss really, really low at a point and now it is in process of normalizing. That's just a guess though. Im sure time will take care of this. Good luck.

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I don't use AI's brother. I feel.better when my estrogens are high and I'm not prone to gyno.
My baseline could just be low or the test just sucks.
It was a different doc, but I will go to my normal doc to redo my bloodwork because I asked for a certain blood work and half of the shit I was looking for I.E cholesterol, liver functions weren't even on there.
I agree with the clueless part. My Hematocrit the highest it's ever been you would expect him to give you a pheltomny. He asked if I was dehydrated before they took blood. He didn't seem to concern, but I know it can fuck with you in the long run. Take at least 4 months for HCT to normalize and doesn't make sense jumpin back on test unless I donate or bloodlet.(never had)

Specialist are always helpful, but unfortunately Endos are like a needle in a haystack in germany, but my usual doc can prescribed me testosterone whenever I ask.

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[pgc640]

What's your estro?. I think its dehydration and my workouts been very high intensity.

Look at the people that live in High Altitudes

I believe Platelets (thrombocytes) are a big problem since it clots the blood and mine came back normal including MCHC, MCV.

I still want to know why the fuck I got low E2.

Doctors in Germany are clueless bro. I tried to get a phelobo, but they say just done or drop the dose. It's very rare to get a script, but I got a doc that scripts it to me cause he a friend of a friend and he did not want me to take UGL stuff lol.

Only one endo in my city and it takes months to see them.

Look I asked them for a full blood workd and I got partial, but then again this was my cannabis doctor.

Gota go to my tru doc.

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General Practitioner, Internests snf NP's, PA's sre basically, for the most part useless. Not only in Germany, everywhere.
Specialists are usually on the ball becsuse, they study a single area of medicine snd ignore the rest.
It sounds like residual effects from a previous cycle.
The only explanation I have for the Estrogen being low is, possibly, you used too high a dose of an AI, it wss really, really low at a point and now it is in process of normalizing. That's just a guess though. Im sure time will take care of this. Good luck.

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[boricuarage79]

hold up. your canabis doctor? wtf does that mean?

Certain general practitioners are allowed to give you a weed card as long as you have the documents from specialist to back it up.
I just went there to get the weed card, but he a normal house doctor as well. These fuckers don't know what they prescribed. I just tell em what strain I want give my script and be on my marry way

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[Bouncer]

What's your estro?. I think its dehydration and my workouts been very high intensity.

Look at the people that live in High Altitudes

I believe Platelets (thrombocytes) are a big problem since it clots the blood and mine came back normal including MCHC, MCV.

I still want to know why the fuck I got low E2.

Doctors in Germany are clueless bro. I tried to get a phelobo, but they say just done or drop the dose. It's very rare to get a script, but I got a doc that scripts it to me cause he a friend of a friend and he did not want me to take UGL stuff lol.

Only one endo in my city and it takes months to see them.

Look I asked them for a full blood workd and I got partial, but then again this was my cannabis doctor.

Gota go to my tru doc.

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hold up. your canabis doctor? wtf does that mean?

[Paul]

Honestly consult with MD Pathologist..

[boricuarage79]

56 should get you a script to a phlebotomist that is thick blood. Mine was like that and TRT doc just gave me a standing order to get it checked once a month and drained if required. I use red cross but there have been times when I have to go in between.
That is some really low test I do believe that our body seeks homeostatis could just be your not producing and because you have no test.
My bloods just cam back if I told you my estro you would have a stroke, I think I might.

What's your estro?. I think its dehydration and my workouts been very high intensity.

Look at the people that live in High Altitudes

I believe Platelets (thrombocytes) are a big problem since it clots the blood and mine came back normal including MCHC, MCV.

I still want to know why the fuck I got low E2.

Doctors in Germany are clueless bro. I tried to get a phelobo, but they say just done or drop the dose. It's very rare to get a script, but I got a doc that scripts it to me cause he a friend of a friend and he did not want me to take UGL stuff lol.

Only one endo in my city and it takes months to see them.

Look I asked them for a full blood workd and I got partial, but then again this was my cannabis doctor.

Gota go to my tru doc.

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[Wacker]

56 should get you a script to a phlebotomist that is thick blood. Mine was like that and TRT doc just gave me a standing order to get it checked once a month and drained if required. I use red cross but there have been times when I have to go in between.
That is some really low test I do believe that our body seeks homeostatis could just be your not producing and because you have no test.
My bloods just cam back if I told you my estro you would have a stroke, I think I might.