Is Pastafarian/Shibby a friendly person or is he generally argumentative?

[Bouncer]

This thread all started because you come off as putting people down and mocking them because you don't agree with their explanation. We all get that you don't agree with many points of view here. The issue is your attitude toward those you don't agree with. Even your response above has this tone of condescension that's just not necessary. You don't have to belittle people to get your point across. "Wrong...mumbo jumbo...blah blah blah." See what I mean? You're actually proving Bouncer's original point.

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[babyblues]

Wrong. I don't need an opinion that satisfies me. When a single statement is made that begs the question, I ask them. When an explanation is given it doesn't have to meet my satisfaction, but for me to agree with it, of course it does. Otherwise I don't agree :idea:. I have no problem with you disagreeing with the support I put to my opinions. I welcome that. As for all that mumbo jumbo about me being ready to have my opinion challenged, the backpedal and contradiction...blah blah blah. This whole thread proves otherwise.

So, let me get this straight. Someone states an opinion that, for you, begs questions, so you ask those questions. In order for you to agree with the explanation, it has to meet with your satisfaction. Nothing wrong with that. We all do that. But agree, disagree, who cares. That's not what Bouncer is talking about. This thread all started because you come off as putting people down and mocking them because you don't agree with their explanation. We all get that you don't agree with many points of view here. The issue is your attitude toward those you don't agree with. Even your response above has this tone of condescension that's just not necessary. You don't have to belittle people to get your point across. "Wrong...mumbo jumbo...blah blah blah." See what I mean? You're actually proving Bouncer's original point.

How does this thread prove you can defend your point of view? All you've done is state that you can defend your point of view. I haven't seen any of this defending actually taking place. A response in and of itself is insufficient.

You know what, I'd love to debate whatever you want to debate if you're willing. Not because I think I'm so smart, but I do enjoy that kind of thing (although you'd never guess :D). If you want to discuss through PM, I'm game.

[Shibby]

Without basis according to who? That's the question that's been asked a couple of times now and you still haven't answered it. Please don't think that we're not able to understand your point. I take it you think if we could just understand your point it would all become obvious to us. If my opinion is my opinion than why is it so important to you that it be based on something that YOU find sufficient to support it? All of this seems to come back to you and what satisfies the requirements that YOU have placed on other people's opinions. I think that's what makes people think you look down on them.

I certainly don't think your opinions are without basis, but I do think the basis for some of them is false. Does that mean I'm criticizing you because you have an opinion? No, it means that I disagree with the assumptions underlying some of those opinions. I also disagree that you're ready for your opinion to be challenged and I question your preperation to defend it because even just in this thread, you've backpedaled and contradicted yourself several times and this isn't even a heated discussion.

I'm just sayin, man.

Wrong. I don't need an opinion that satisfies me. When a single statement is made that begs the question, I ask them. When an explanation is given it doesn't have to meet my satisfaction, but for me to agree with it, of course it does. Otherwise I don't agree :idea:. I have no problem with you disagreeing with the support I put to my opinions. I welcome that. As for all that mumbo jumbo about me being ready to have my opinion challenged, the backpedal and contradiction...blah blah blah. This whole thread proves otherwise.

[babyblues]

:clapback::clapback:Welcome back my Godly friend...

I've got a lot to learn, that's for sure. :agreed:

[babyblues]

:yawn: I'll say it again to make it perfectly clear. Have an opinion, but if that opinion is asserted without basis it holds no value. I know I have an opinion and it's quite clear that when I put it out there I am ready for it to be challenged and to explain it.

Without basis according to who? That's the question that's been asked a couple of times now and you still haven't answered it. Please don't think that we're not able to understand your point. I take it you think if we could just understand your point it would all become obvious to us. If my opinion is my opinion than why is it so important to you that it be based on something that YOU find sufficient to support it? All of this seems to come back to you and what satisfies the requirements that YOU have placed on other people's opinions. I think that's what makes people think you look down on them.

I certainly don't think your opinions are without basis, but I do think the basis for some of them is false. Does that mean I'm criticizing you because you have an opinion? No, it means that I disagree with the assumptions underlying some of those opinions. I also disagree that you're ready for your opinion to be challenged and I question your preperation to defend it because even just in this thread, you've backpedaled and contradicted yourself several times and this isn't even a heated discussion.

I'm just sayin, man.

[Shibby]

I think you like making yourself feel superior. You don't have to specifically state that in order for people to see that's behind this statement. I'm not just pulling that out of thin air, I have a brain and I can see for myself based on your posts in this thread and many others.


Why is it that when you state your opinion, it's pure logic and when others state theirs it's judging? If bringing people down off their pedestal is necessary when they state an opinion that differs from yours, than I'm sure you can see that it's necessary to do the same to you when your opinion differs from theirs, right?



What makes you think that you are even capable of holding people to their words or actions? You don't even hold yourself to your own words and actions. You claim that you can see the inconsistencies in what people say, yet you haven't demonstrated the ability to see the inconsistencies in what YOU say. You infer that you are willing to hold others accountable for their actions. That requires some level of authority over those people. Sorry, but you don't have that. And what are you holding them accountable to? There has to be some standard or accountability is pointless. You're no different than the rest of us, Shib.

:yawn: I'll say it again to make it perfectly clear. Have an opinion, but if that opinion is asserted without basis it holds no value. I know I have an opinion and it's quite clear that when I put it out there I am ready for it to be challenged and to explain it.

[babyblues]

Other than the topic of theology I don't judge anyone and I'm not sure if it can be called judging in a theism topic. I like debating topics that are intellectually stimulating.

I think you like making yourself feel superior. You don't have to specifically state that in order for people to see that's behind this statement. I'm not just pulling that out of thin air, I have a brain and I can see for myself based on your posts in this thread and many others.

I like bringing people down off there pedestal when they judge other people on opinion based topics.

Why is it that when you state your opinion, it's pure logic and when others state theirs it's judging? If bringing people down off their pedestal is necessary when they state an opinion that differs from yours, than I'm sure you can see that it's necessary to do the same to you when your opinion differs from theirs, right?

I also hold people to their words and actions. I hate when people do or say things "just because". That's the problem with everything now. No one is willing to hold others accountable for their actions.

What makes you think that you are even capable of holding people to their words or actions? You don't even hold yourself to your own words and actions. You claim that you can see the inconsistencies in what people say, yet you haven't demonstrated the ability to see the inconsistencies in what YOU say. You infer that you are willing to hold others accountable for their actions. That requires some level of authority over those people. Sorry, but you don't have that. And what are you holding them accountable to? There has to be some standard or accountability is pointless. You're no different than the rest of us, Shib.

[Bouncer]

So did anyone fuck a deaf girl in the mouth today:rofl::rofl:

bwahahahahahha :rofl:

[Mr I]

thats my point. i dont want him to change. but sometimes i would like to see a guy just enjoying himself instead of always trying to make a point.

Yeah I see where your coming from, and stay on topic alse.

So did anyone fuck a deaf girl in the mouth today:rofl::rofl:

[Bouncer]

glad you liked it, thought you would, and seriousely I like the debates you create through opinion, you always make the effort to justify and not just blurt out opinion. I'm quite principled also, got it from my mother but sometimes we could all do well to just blow it out our ass and enjoy life:thumup:

thats my point. i dont want him to change. but sometimes i would like to see a guy just enjoying himself instead of always trying to make a point.

[Mr I]

Ha, that's funny right there, I don't care who you are :)

glad you liked it, thought you would, and seriousely I like the debates you create through opinion, you always make the effort to justify and not just blurt out opinion. I'm quite principled also, got it from my mother but sometimes we could all do well to just blow it out our ass and enjoy life:thumup:

[Bouncer]

Oh and driving accross the country with him would be great to begin with him but not all the way, I think I'd throw myself out the car at the mid point if we should happen to drive over a bridge, but knowing him by the time you hit the river below he'd be tootling along in a boat with a stick hook and another point to make!

:rofl:

[Bouncer]

Read up on Dark Matter and the depths of the Universe. Mmmkay

that's not an argument, its a way to have the last word. at one time it wasn't logical that the earth was round.. it just had to be flat. just because we cant understand how something works right now does not mean it wont be logical in 200 years. it will be science that makes it logical.

[Shibby]

Agreed with most, yeah he definitely likes a good debate and would probably wake you up in the middle of the night if he had something else to add to an already dead debate. Oversentitivity to anything racial along with a keen will to debate makes for interesting inputs sometimes, definitely the quikest person off the mark to intervene in anything marginally moraly borderline.


We should rename him "Trigger"

Oh and driving accross the country with him would be great to begin with him but not all the way, I think I'd throw myself out the car at the mid point if we should happen to drive over a bridge, but knowing him by the time you hit the river below he'd be tootling along in a boat with a stick hook and another point to make!

Ha, that's funny right there, I don't care who you are :)

[redback]

He's an angry man, doesnt mean i wouldn't drive cross country with him.