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[Bouncer]

I just think it's more then that brother. I get what your saying for sure. I just think that its not so much about pop culture and more about what's going on at home and how kids are taught about life lessons in general.

[TKD]

I'm definitely not explaining myself well with the way youth act differently now of not being able to separate the fantasy.

[Bouncer]

I'm sure you know the specific history more than me, but talking about unless you were in the home town per se, people weren't trying to look and act like them. That kind of stuff. Now you have gangster wannabes everywhere you look. Urban and suburban areas.

Bro they certainly were! Kids sat around the radios to catch the latest news on John Dillanger, he was an absolute rebel and hero. Same goes for the others. They were just as popular as cowboys and Indians in the early to mid 20th century. This was not town to town, this was national level. It was part of popular culture. Watch any movie from the 20's through the 50's and you will see everyone mimicking the American gangster.

[Bouncer]

He may mean lack of internet and television kept the news from being rampant and quickly spread around. People had to wait for the paper so a story probably only stayed big for a day. Only so much space to fit news for a days worth of news for the whole country. Out of sight out of mind.

I see the point and I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm just saying I disagree. Things were certainly not out of sight out of mind in the early to mid 20th century. Those examples I used were all over the papers and radio. People followed the gangsters of the era with great interest.

[TKD]

Localized in what way? How is it different?

I'm sure you know the specific history more than me, but talking about unless you were in the home town per se, people weren't trying to look and act like them. That kind of stuff. Now you have gangster wannabes everywhere you look. Urban and suburban areas.

[chuckz28]

Localized in what way? How is it different?

He may mean lack of internet and television kept the news from being rampant and quickly spread around. People had to wait for the paper so a story probably only stayed big for a day. Only so much space to fit news for a days worth of news for the whole country. Out of sight out of mind.

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[Bouncer]

Localized in what way? How is it different?

[TKD]

I'm not sure about that bro. John Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde, Al Capone, and the Italian mafia in general have always been looked upon as hero's in a sense. They were absolutely huge in public perception in the 20th century.

To a point, but nothing like now. It was very localized in that respect.

[Bouncer]

And to open another can, there wasn't glory in being a thug gang banger. Current adults and even the youth have grown up with rap sensationalizing shooting anyone who crosses you.

I'm not sure about that bro. John Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde, Al Capone, and the Italian mafia in general have always been looked upon as hero's in a sense. They were absolutely huge in public perception in the 20th century.

[TKD]

agree. this goes along with the bully discussion in a way.

it used to be a way of life that kids got bullied in school. it taught valuable lessons and was healthy up to a point. it wasn't such a big deal. now though it's been made into this horrible tragedy that little johnny got a black eye. I'm not saying we should tolerate bullying, I'm saying lets keep things in perspective and not make it such a huge deal. by making it such a huge deal I think it teaches a child that they are untouchable and if they ever are threatened in any way their mind reacts in a way that it would not have in the 1950's when bullying was "just something that happens". bit of a rant but i believe there is an important point there.

I think it's more now that kids get bullied and don't have parents at home to teach them how to prevent it or get over it. Again lack of parenting is what jumps out at me. Be it negligence or needing/wanting to be a workaholic.

In the 50's typically only one parent worked.

And to open another can, there wasn't glory in being a thug gang banger. Current adults and even the youth have grown up with rap sensationalizing shooting anyone who crosses you.

[Bouncer]

And those kids in Africa would see current day America in the same way that people here in the 1950's saw America. People don't like to look in the mirror but I think we need to in this case. Its easy to blame but maybe just maybe we should realize we've become a bit spoiled. We are very lucky to live in this day and age in this country. Most of history is not so nice. Most of history is filled with war and hunger. We need to keep things in perspective and at the same time keep reaching.

[chuckz28]

No doubt. I try to tell my kids about that when they complain about meaningless problems. Starving children in Africa with flys on their eyes would do anything for those green beans lol.

[Bouncer]

Lol. I wish politicians would put this much effort into solutions. It's like they all have a text book with key words to match and a law to propose that goes with it that offers no real solution to the problems. I mean it isn't like this stuff took weeks to think about.

We need a bit more of what was going on in America after WW2. Things got done in a smart and efficient way. The general feeling in America was that things were good and we have a healthy future. Nowadays the general feeling from the media and the general public is that "this country has gone to shit". In some ways that may be true. But I refuse to look at it like that. This is still a great country with so many things to offer. People have just gotten so used to a certain way of life that we've become complainers about everything. Go spend a year in a place like india and then come back to america and tell me how much this country has gone to shit.. lol.

[chuckz28]

Lol. I wish politicians would put this much effort into solutions. It's like they all have a text book with key words to match and a law to propose that goes with it that offers no real solution to the problems. I mean it isn't like this stuff took weeks to think about.