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Old 02-23-05, 11:57 PM
EQ or Tren?
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just wondering which one u guys think is better for vascularity and as a cutter? never tried these but i took winni and wasnt to impressed
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Old 02-24-05, 12:09 AM
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Please post up your stats, cycle history, ect so we can better evaluate your question.
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Old 02-24-05, 12:30 AM
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first cycle was just sust and test enth 2nd cycle was deca, test 400 for about 15 weeks did winni and test prop after for roughly 8 weeks took novoldex and clomid.the lenght of time on is a rough guess. last time took anything was 4 months ago

stats 5'6" was at 210 but now 185 so not to sure bf%

want to stay around this weight but to cut.
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Old 02-24-05, 12:30 AM
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Please post up your stats, cycle history, ect so we can better evaluate your question.
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Old 02-24-05, 12:33 AM
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I would say if you want vascularity then go eq, but since you want to stay around the same weight, then run tren and test prop eod. You will gain a little more weight if you ran test and eq, but you would get more vascular, but then again diet and bf% also dictates how vascular you are.
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Old 02-24-05, 12:35 AM
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age 21 i think bf could be around 15% lost a lot over the last few months. i eat pretty healthy already have one cheat day a week.
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Old 02-24-05, 12:44 AM
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Post your diet. You will be surprised that I will find something you think is healthy that really isnt. Also what do you really want, get vascular and gain maybe 10-15lbs or drop bf% and stay around the same weight?
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Old 02-24-05, 01:00 AM
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Well, if price isn't really a big issue, I'd probably go with this:

Weeks 1-12: 400mg EQ/week
Weeks 1-12: 100mg prop EOD
Weeks 7-12: Tren 75mg EOD

You're gonna hate the EOD injects for that many weeks, but prop really is the best test to run if you're looking to lean out and avoid bloat. I'd run clen for two weeks, then ephedrine/caffeine/asprin stack for two weeks throughout the cycle as well. Get your diet in check and cardio in place, and you should cut quite nicely while adding lean mass.
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Old 02-24-05, 01:09 AM
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breakfast i have 4-5 egg whites rye toast and raisan bran, i usually have a salad, chicken breast, whole wheat pasta. with protein shake 3 times a day. will mix chicken with steak once in awhile. before i go to bed protein shake.
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Old 02-24-05, 01:13 AM
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price is a little bit of a thing right now i am thinkin about doin a cycle in about a month or 2.
would u help with diet please
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Old 02-24-05, 01:20 AM
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What tyoe dressing do you put on your salad and also what tye of protien are you using b4 bed? If you are not using casien then you are not taking the right type.
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Old 02-24-05, 01:23 AM
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i am actually taking kaizen and do not use dressing
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Old 02-24-05, 01:24 AM
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Thats good. I pmed you bro.
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Old 02-24-05, 01:28 AM
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does the diet sound decent should i eat something else then the pasta? and i would like to gain a little and lose some more bf%
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Old 02-24-05, 01:34 AM
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I think your diet somes pretty decent to me bro. Onlything for me to determine if this diet is what you need to stay on is, exactly what you are eating, what time, how many hrs in between and the calorie,prot,fat,carb breakdown.
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Old 02-24-05, 01:36 AM
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i eat around every 2-2.5 hrs. the meals are around 7oz chicken breast decent sized salad cup of pasta. have protein shake 3 time a day.
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Old 02-24-05, 01:53 AM
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How many calories,etc? Also letting you know I am going to bed now, so I wont be able to answer your questions till tom.
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Old 02-24-05, 01:10 PM
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not to sure about the calories i think close to 3000
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Try to find out and let me know.
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Old 02-24-05, 03:17 PM
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is there any site that i could use to determine the calories?
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Old 02-24-05, 03:43 PM
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calorie intake is 3200
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Old 02-24-05, 03:45 PM
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is there any site that i could use to determine the calories?

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Old 02-24-05, 06:49 PM
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wow was i off here is the stats.
Calories Eaten Today
source grams cals %total
Total: 2523
Fat: 50 450 19%
Sat: 13 118 5%
Poly: 11 101 4%
Mono: 18 166 7%
Carbs: 227 760 32%
Fiber: 37 0 0%
Protein: 288 1152 49%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%
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Old 02-24-05, 08:40 PM
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Try to eay a little more. Just add a high glycemic carb drink with protein, electrolites, and vitamin e and c after your workout and that should but you almost at 3000 cals, plus you restore all your glycogen in your muscles and not to mention you spike insulin right after your workout.
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Old 02-24-05, 09:41 PM
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i will try that for sure thanks a lot for the help rock
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Old 02-25-05, 02:18 AM
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Oh also just in case you are wondering what types of carbs is high-glycemic, they are glucose,sucrose, but I would recommend only dextrose or maltodextrin or even better a blen of both. Also the vitamin e and c is to get rid of free radicals so you dont get sick cause right after a workout is when you are at high risk of sickness.
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Old 02-25-05, 05:48 AM
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just wondering which one u guys think is better for vascularity and as a cutter? never tried these but i took winni and wasnt to impressed
Two very different compounds

equi - good for protien synthesis, pump/red blood cell production - eat lots of protien to capitalise its benefits and get a slow solid onset of muscle increase, all thing being equal (ergo training, rest and diet in place

Trem - very androgenic, agressive training, strength increase, hardens muscle, good size gains too.

both compounds don't really induce much water retention.

all in all, tren will get you closer to YOUR goals, but taken together they would work even better,

NOTE: you need pct after a course of tren
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