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Old 08-13-15, 10:58 AM
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Hi. I am new to the forum. I have a few questions about setting up my first cycle. I am a intermediate level rock climber and the main thing holding me back is my grip strength. It takes a really long time to grow the forearm flexors and extensors with training alone. I am not looking for something too scary like Halo especially for a first cycle. So I have been thinking of Anavar and or Tren. Could I have some help on what may or may not work? Would injectables be a better idea because they can be targeted to a specific muscle? However, it would not hurt to gain overall strength especially in my lats and biceps.

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Anavar is mild and can be run alone without much side effects. Tren on the other hand should never be run without testosterone.

Maybe something like low dose test e and deca might be helpful.

test e @ 300mgs per week
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Hi. I am new to the forum. I have a few questions about setting up my first cycle. I am a intermediate level rock climber and the main thing holding me back is my grip strength. It takes a really long time to grow the forearm flexors and extensors with training alone. I am not looking for something too scary like Halo especially for a first cycle. So I have been thinking of Anavar and or Tren. Could I have some help on what may or may not work? Would injectables be a better idea because they can be targeted to a specific muscle? However, it would not hurt to gain overall strength especially in my lats and biceps.

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If you want to develop good grip strength, no need for any of that stuff. Get a set of these or something similar. I've been doing bjj for a very long time and grip strength is a MUST....grip strength for us is like your rope saving your ass from falling to your death:wave:
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In my experience grip strength yields better results from better training than steroids. Not saying it can't help but the flexors in the forearms are a very small muscle group and tendon strength is just as important as muscle strength which steroids won't help for. Steroids will also tend to ad body weight which you do not want as a climber.

There are many different facets to grip training but what carries over to climbing the best is pinch grip training. Plate pinching, block lifts and isometric holds will work the best. If you aren't familiar with plate pinching or block weight lifts PM me and I can get you more details. Things such as Ironmind's titans telegraph key can be helpful for building thumb pad strength for pinch holds. Also do you have a hang board? This is important for crimp holds. You need to build the tendon strength and muscle strength slowly and concurrently to prevent finger injuries that can set you way back. Good luck.

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Links to other forums more specific to meeting his goals and information that could take a bit to type out if he didn't already know what excercizes I'm already talking about.
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Hi. I am new to the forum. I have a few questions about setting up my first cycle. I am a intermediate level rock climber and the main thing holding me back is my grip strength. It takes a really long time to grow the forearm flexors and extensors with training alone. I am not looking for something too scary like Halo especially for a first cycle. So I have been thinking of Anavar and or Tren. Could I have some help on what may or may not work? Would injectables be a better idea because they can be targeted to a specific muscle? However, it would not hurt to gain overall strength especially in my lats and biceps.

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In my experience grip strength yields better results from better training than steroids. Not saying it can't help but the flexors in the forearms are a very small muscle group and tendon strength is just as important as muscle strength which steroids won't help for. Steroids will also tend to ad body weight which you do not want as a climber.

There are many different facets to grip training but what carries over to climbing the best is pinch grip training. Plate pinching, block lifts and isometric holds will work the best. If you aren't familiar with plate pinching or block weight lifts PM me and I can get you more details. Things such as Ironmind's titans telegraph key can be helpful for building thumb pad strength for pinch holds. Also do you have a hang board? This is important for crimp holds. You need to build the tendon strength and muscle strength slowly and concurrently to prevent finger injuries that can set you way back. Good luck.
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Agreed completely with Chuck. Along with forearm/grip exercises, have you made an honest appraisal of your body weight? Dropping 10 or 15 lbs of bodyweight carefully without impacting strength will do wonders for your climbing.
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Old 08-13-15, 03:21 PM
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Yeah I train grip by itself specifically 2x a week, follow the climbing community closely and have met with climbers that have climbed with the biggest names in climbing. Being on gear has done nothing for increasing my grip strength compared to optimized training. I train for crush grip but still partake in thickbar and pinch grip on occasion.

In a climbers case you need to have as light a frame as possible. 20 pounds makes a hell of a difference so anything that will add to that will nix any muscle gains. The best in the world are all thin for a reason.
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I train for crush grip but still partake in thickbar and pinch grip on occasion.
Can you elaborate on this? I'm interested.
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Crush grip being squeezing, mainly from the 4 fingers in the second pads below the finger tips. Crush grip is trained with grippers and useful for jobs with pliers, cutters and giving a firm handshake.

Thickbar would be trained by using thick barbells or fat grips over the barbell. Good for picking up large objects and general all around hand strength.

Pinch grip focuses much on the thumb strength as well as finger tip strength. Trained by using pinch blocks of all sizes, anywhere from a penny to a 4 inch wide block or even larger. There are hundreds of implements to train pinch grip, but the biggest would be 3 inch wide pinch blocks with a welded hook on the end to book onto a loading pin where you can add weight plates, and hubs of various depths and widths, which mimic the center hub of a 45lb plate. Plate pinching would be putting two or more Olympic plates together flat side out and either double hand or single hand lifting them. The strong guys use 45lb plates, one hand and just 3 fingers.

There are constantly new ways being developed to train and test grip strength and many yearly competitions involving tons of these fun tools. Most are not commercially made but some companies do make many and hold certifications for incredible feats such as Ironmind that I mentioned above.

My goal is to certify the Captains of Crush #3 gripper. Certification takes place in front of a judge with strict rules and controlled grippers. The nice thing about this goal is bodyweight does not matter as much as other strength sports because leverage can't be used as an advantage. Gripsport is humbling to even the really big strong guys.
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Thanks.

What cpt crush grippers would you recommend?

I have an everlast set with the wood handles that are about a year old that I can squeeze 75 times before stopping. I don't know their # rating.
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Coc are much stronger than store bought ones and are good for strength because high reps like that do little for strength. Everlast grippers will lie somewhere between the coc guide and maybe sport. It is good to have at least 3 gripper strengths. A warm up gripper, a working set gripper and a goal gripper. Most strong guys can't close a #2 I would get a trainer, #1 and #2 to start out. Your everlast could be used as warm up if youd like to only get two grippers for now. A 10 pound difference can feel like a lot of difference with such a small muscle group. Most complain about the knurling for a while til your hands get used to the rough aluminum surface.

Right now I can close the 2.5 with a credit card set which can usually only be done by people that Deadlift 600#+ without prior specific grip training. Deadlift has some carryover. No woman on the planet has been able to do this yet.
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Old 08-13-15, 07:09 PM
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Unless I over read, I'm surprised know one said that injectables can't be targeted to a muscle group. Steroids go systematic bro. Don't matter what muscle u put it in.
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Old 08-13-15, 09:09 PM
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grip strength?!?
that's like using a sledge hammer to kill a fly

I would try a more conventional approach. yes roids will make you a better athlete but make should your not trying to find a quick fix because it requires a certain level of dedication and commitment I don't think most ppl have or are willing to take...the risks aren't worth reward unless you put in the time in training whether its in the gym and out of the gym.
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ok so a little bit more about my sit. I do have some grip strength. Before I started climbing a year ago I did a little power lifting. Not compitition or anything but recently I pulled an 8 plate on a deadlift for 6 reps. So about 400lbs. Last year I couldnt do more than 3 plates without straps--Im getin better eventhough I dont lift much anymore.

I bought a set of grip trainers 3 months ago. They have helped..well maybe. Its hard to tell--My climbing level has not really changed much in 3 months. I dont know how much of using the grips transfers to functional climbing and grip because in climbing one grips various shaped holds in many different orientations. The board rado was talking about sound slike a really good idea. They have one at the gym and I use it but I could definitly use it more often.

As far as the grip trainers what sort of workout would you recommend? I own 4 of them. An easy one from walmart, 150, 200, 250. So far I can rep the 150 fairly easily and the 250 I cant squeeze it once.

I also climb 3 days a week and do cardio (HIIT) 2/week.
After I finish school finals soon I was thinking of a ketogenic diet. School=excess fat. It would not hurt to loose 15lbs for sure. ---Or more??? I hate the idea of loosing muscle but it may help me—my legs look like Schwarzeneggers—well maybe not that big but they are muscular.

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Roids or no roids?
Wait or not to wait?
Or maybe just do a mild cutting cycle to start??
One of you mentioned that roids will not improve grip but would they help for lats and cardio?
Ive also see that many bodybuilders say wait until you are at the advanced level before doing gear. Why would someone wait? Wouldnt it improve the time it takes to get to that level?
Or what about gear for recovery time? – I wish I could climb more often but Im held back by tired arms and sometimes sore lats.
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oh yeah and plate training sounds like a good idea too. I could definitely add a little that
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Grippers won't help much for climbing. Plate pinching, hubbing, and block pinches will. Some guys can do rafter pullups. Pinching ceiling rafters to pull up. Very impressive. I would recommend getting into those lifts and hang boarding and campus boarding. For your lats do pullups, chinups and rows all should help but your main focus to get better at climbing is more climbing. Try to clean up your diet and cut some weight. Work on endurance I just don't think gear will benefit your goals much here. What grade level are you climbing at BTW?
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Grippers won't help much for climbing. Plate pinching, hubbing, and block pinches will. Some guys can do rafter pullups. Pinching ceiling rafters to pull up. Very impressive. I would recommend getting into those lifts and hang boarding and campus boarding. For your lats do pullups, chinups and rows all should help but your main focus to get better at climbing is more climbing. Try to clean up your diet and cut some weight. Work on endurance I just don't think gear will benefit your goals much here. What grade level are you climbing at BTW?
Funny how all of us here, we all have some type of knowledge, and good useful stuff. Never I think you'd be the "grip expert" lol

The stuff we use is by far the best, for our sport that is. What ate your thoughts on the peg wall? I know most has to do forearm strength, but you gotta have that fucking grip as well.
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Funny how all of us here, we all have some type of knowledge, and good useful stuff. Never I think you'd be the "grip expert" lol

The stuff we use is by far the best, for our sport that is. What ate your thoughts on the peg wall? I know most has to do forearm strength, but you gotta have that fucking grip as well.
Man I miss the old peg wall! Fun and useful. This would be great for climbers imo. Wish I had one myself.
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I am climbing solid 5.11a
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I am climbing solid 5.11a
That's pretty good. If your lats are getting sore you may need to work on your footwork. Technique rules all and you will feel much stronger by dropping some weight. I think Sharma is probably the heaviest top sport climber out there and he's only around 170 pounds. Guys like Ondra I would be surprised if he was even 150. You won't climb 5.15 at 190 but I don't know what your goal is. If women can climb 5.14d than you can climb higher grades with consistent training. Be honest with yourself and find a good climbing partner that can give you pointers.

Ultimately you are an adult and the decision is yours so if you choose the Drug route, what the guys above mentioned would work just don't be surprised if it doesn't help as much as you would think or if you end up gaining weight.

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Funny how all of us here, we all have some type of knowledge, and good useful stuff. Never I think you'd be the "grip expert" lol
Yeah his avatar doesn't scream "grip strength" does it? :laugh:
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I did a lot of climbing in my 20's. Where I lived at the time had a barn. I built a climbing wall in it that inverted as you climbed up the inside of the roof. I had a self belay device that allowed me to climb by myself. It was an awesome setup. Most like you don't have this option but maybe you have a basement or you could build an outside bouldering wall like below.

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Man I miss the old peg wall! Fun and useful. This would be great for climbers imo. Wish I had one myself.
I'll take a pic:P later of the one we use.

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Yeah his avatar doesn't scream "grip strength" does it? :laugh:
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Thats dedication!! Why did you stop climbing?
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In your opinion what would I expect to see as compared to not doing gear?
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Thats dedication!! Why did you stop climbing?
Obviously, to climb on rock you need a partner and finding a reliable partner was tough. Then I started getting into bodybuilding and that became my focus. I took a group of high school kids to a local climbing gym last year. I do miss it just don't have the time for it anymore. Still have all my gear.
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I went to a climbing wall for the first time a few months ago and absolutely loved it. I wouldn't mind doing it again, but between lifting, trail running and hiking, finding time to dedicate to it is next to impossible. I don't want to dabble in another hobby, if I get into it, I want to be serious about it.
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Who knew shit site had a bunch of gripbillers... Ghey
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Who knew shit site had a bunch of gripbillers... Ghey
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he's actually a horse jerker. you got to have the endurance in the wrist
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he's actually a horse jerker. you got to have the endurance in the wrist
I read this and looked up "horse masterbation" hoping to find some fucked up gif to post...the things that came up were disturbing. There's actually barnyard porn websites. Wtf is this world coming to?! lol
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Who knew shit site had a bunch of gripbillers... Ghey
Bro, we exclusive motherfuckers around here. Where else you gonna find scientists, politicians, bbrs, pwrlftrs, druggies, grip masters, trannies, dietitians(fat ones), etc....we come from all ages, backgrounds, origins and all parts of the world bitch:thankyou::grin:

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I read this and looked up "horse masterbation" hoping to find some fucked up gif to post...the things that came up were disturbing. There's actually barnyard porn websites. Wtf is this world coming to?! lol
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Halotestin alone... Maybe 10mgs daily preworkout should produce massive strength in your arms/forearms without any weightgain
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