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Old 05-09-17, 07:02 PM
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I have received my order of Jintropin from jintropin.us. I will be running 5ius ED for 2 weeks. I will be using 5ius to get my bloods pulled also. I will update as I go along on how the jins feel. But the main thing is how they test. I will be running a GH serum test and also a IGF-1 test. Hoping this could resolve some issues with the previous testing.
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Look forward to it brother. I'll be very surprised if it doesn't test well. I've been running the 200iu Jin kit for over a month now and strong GH sides are there. So if it tests poorly it's safe to say the Chinese have figured a way to mimic GH sides without actually using good GH.
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By strong GH sides I mean strong mid day tiredness, carpel tunnel, water retention in specific areas (I call it the 3d delt effect). I'm getting all that. If this shit test poorly my mind will be blown because I've used top notch GH off and on for years and this feels exactly like top notch GH. I'm expecting 600-700's igf range for you.
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Old 05-09-17, 07:25 PM
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Yeah I'm really hoping to see some good numbers. I will keep everyone posted I start tomorrow moring. Really hoping they test well for these guys they have been great to deal with so far. Great customer service, but the numbers need to match as well.
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Bud but for reconstitution can i use plain steril water? I read that is better than bac water
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Bud but for reconstitution can i use plain steril water? I read that is better than bac water
If you plan on injecting the whole 10iu within a day yes. Otherwise stick with bac water. Why would sterile water be better?
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I don t know buddy, i just read this on a lot of forum, if i use the vial in 2 3 days ?!
I read that the hgh will be good for 1 week
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I don t know buddy, i just read this on a lot of forum, if i use the vial in 2 3 days ?!
I read that the hgh will be good for 1 week
Nah. They don't know what their talking about. Sterile water should really never be used with GH unless used immediatly.

Get yourself some BAC water bro. MedLabGear.com has it cheap. No excuse not to get it.
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I know buddy but i m in italy, i can recieved parcel from outside eu, i already got seized i dont tell u how much hgh ui lol in only 1 month
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I know buddy but i m in italy, i can recieved parcel from outside eu, i already got seized i dont tell u how much hgh ui lol in only 1 month
well bro i don't know what to tell you. gh will not last in sterile water for very long. there is a reason EVERYONE in US uses it with BAC.
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Old 05-17-17, 08:38 AM
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just an update on how the jins feel. I have stronger sides than I did with the hygetropin. I could feel a difference between the 2 for sure. I will be getting blood work either next Wednesday or next Friday. I should receive the blood results a few days after. all this is at 5ius ED
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ok fellas I just had bloods pulled this morning at 7:45 am. I took one 5iu shot at 4:45 am. I know this doesn't matter for the IGF-1 score but it might for the GH serum score. I had both tests run for World/Jintropin.us. I should have the test results in the next few days. I will also post my baseline numbers for everyone to compare. hoping to see some good numbers for these guys, they have been great to deal with.
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ok fellas I just had bloods pulled this morning at 7:45 am. I took one 5iu shot at 4:45 am. I know this doesn't matter for the IGF-1 score but it might for the GH serum score. I had both tests run for World/Jintropin.us. I should have the test results in the next few days. I will also post my baseline numbers for everyone to compare. hoping to see some good numbers for these guys, they have been great to deal with.
been a week homey whats the deal?
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so fellas I got my results. my baseline was IGF-1 125. At 5IU's ED of Jintropin my test results where IGF-1 406. my GH serum was 15.2. I was not to happy about these numbers and I sent an email to World/Jintropin and I will post below are conversations. I will post pics of results.

quick recap of our conversation is that I was not happy with the results and he stated that the numbers are good. he based his numbers off of CHAD and ROCKET having baseline IGF-1 at 250-300. please guys tell me your baselines are not that high? I could post the email conversation below if interested? I would like to see what you guys think of the convo.
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I just got my base line done last week 53 years old never running anything that would alter it. I'm at 186.
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that is high for your age. I wish I was that high and im only 37.
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After reading a lot about this whole IGF stuff with HGH I'm really starting to believe everyone will have a different effective score based on their individual body's ability's to handle/ process it. I know that it's understood for every IU run it should increase IGF by 100 points (or so) is the rounded out number/ belief. I just don't know what to take into consideration for each persons bodies ability to use it and process the HGH for the higher IGF score to come in. I mean what kind of studies have been done on say..your verses my IGF score? Is a person who has a naturaly higher IGF score able to process the HGH and get more out of it then someone who has a lower base score? maybe this has something to do with it? the lower scoring body don't process it well enough to get the full effect? Fuck sake who knows...LOL And of course there's always the factor the stuff isn't legit or under dosed like Rocket claims some/ alot of it is.. God damn frigging crap shoot bro.
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Yeah its tough to fully understand but we are all getting a baseline and testing all the different types of hgh. My next test is going to be us pharma grade. If my numbers at 5ius come back and are in the 600 to 700 IGF-1 range we will know that the it's under dosed hgh. Rocket and chadd have already done this and it's all adding up. So will I be the 3rd person to prove rockets theory correct again. Also hgh labz sent chadd ansomone and select did and selects scored in the 400 and hghlabz.com scored in the 600. So something is wrong with selects and jintropin.us hgh or am I missing something?

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I would expect it to be that score at 4iu not 5iu. It's still double the igf of normal range but yea I'd expect a higher score. How soon are you going to do the us pharm grade gh test? That will definitely tell us exactly what you react to 5iu. My hunch is that the jins are indeed a bit underdosed compared to something like a US pharma. With that said, I just got done running the jins for the past 2 months and I was very happy with them in terms of what I saw in the mirror. Obviously if you are doubling your natty igf you are going to see results. I'm on ansomone now so we'll see.

As for why 2 ansomone scores would be different. I think all ansomone comes from the same place. The only reason it would score different is storage and/or shipping issues. Meaning 1 kit sat in warmer environment for a longer period and the GH degraded.
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As for why 2 ansomone scores would be different. I think all ansomone comes from the same place. The only reason it would score different is storage and/or shipping issues. Meaning 1 kit sat in warmer environment for a longer period and the GH degraded.
If that's the case then..Rocket is dead on..under dose stuff may be being sold and people are spending more then they should be for it.
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If that's the case then..Rocket is dead on..under dose stuff may be being sold and people are spending more then they should be for it.
not following your reply in context to what you quoted. i'm saying it starts out as well dosed ansomeone. the only reason for 1 kit to score different from the other is because it wasn't stored properly or it sat in a hot environment for a period during shipping. that's what I think the case of ansomeone is anyway. i dont think anyone is selling under dosed ansomeone. other brands for sure but not ansomeone specifically.
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not following your reply in context to what you quoted. i'm saying it starts out as well dosed ansomeone. the only reason for 1 kit to score different from the other is because it wasn't stored properly or it sat in a hot environment for a period during shipping. that's what I think the case of ansomeone is anyway. i dont think anyone is selling under dosed ansomeone. other brands for sure but not ansomeone specifically.
I get what your saying, its like there should be a disclaimer attached to it... you may be buying degraded shit...
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I understand what you are saying with the ansomone, but to be off 200 points that's more than just sitting on the runway. did Rado get the bloods back from his retest of the ansomone? that will tell us what the deal is. if the test comes back at 600 then maybe it was just a bad batch, but we have been testing a bunch of bad batches from wither select and World lately it seems. the 2 tested from HGH labz where right on. im going to order some more HGH and should have the results in a month or so. you even stated on this thread you wanted to see my scores in the 700's at 5ius. I would have been happy at high 500 or 600ish. but 400 is way to low for what we are paying for. at 275$ for 100 ius that is really maybe 50-65 ius. HGH labz has ansomone for 260$ and its a full 100ius. so far in 6 months I have given 3K to world/Jintropin for 1700 IU's of HGH and out of that 13 boxes where Hygetropin which had 3 iu's a vial and 4 boxes of Jins and they had about 5-6 ius a box just like rocket said. if my test results on US Pharma come back at 600-700 I want my money back from my last purchase from world of 805$ its bullshit. if my numbers come back on the US pharma at 400 then I was wrong. but with all the tests that have been done I will be the 3rd one to confirm Rockets theory.
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I understand what you are saying with the ansomone, but to be off 200 points that's more than just sitting on the runway. did Rado get the bloods back from his retest of the ansomone? that will tell us what the deal is. if the test comes back at 600 then maybe it was just a bad batch, but we have been testing a bunch of bad batches from wither select and World lately it seems. the 2 tested from HGH labz where right on. im going to order some more HGH and should have the results in a month or so. you even stated on this thread you wanted to see my scores in the 700's at 5ius. I would have been happy at high 500 or 600ish. but 400 is way to low for what we are paying for. at 275$ for 100 ius that is really maybe 50-65 ius. HGH labz has ansomone for 260$ and its a full 100ius. so far in 6 months I have given 3K to world/Jintropin for 1700 IU's of HGH and out of that 13 boxes where Hygetropin which had 3 iu's a vial and 4 boxes of Jins and they had about 5-6 ius a box just like rocket said. if my test results on US Pharma come back at 600-700 I want my money back from my last purchase from world of 805$ its bullshit. if my numbers come back on the US pharma at 400 then I was wrong. but with all the tests that have been done I will be the 3rd one to confirm Rockets theory.
nah bro, i'm not saying just "sitting on a runway". i'm saying sitting in some hot ass mail sorting room from china to russia. sitting out on the runway in the sun, sitting on a hot part of a plane, sitting in the back of a hot mail truck, then getting to russia and then going through all that again to get from russia to you. i'm not making excuses here. i'm simply saying the difference in circumstances when going through so many countries could be huge. i've had some kits just sit in some mail sorting room for a fucken week and others go through in hours. what if that sorting room is 80 degrees? 80 degrees for a week vs the kit that only sat in there for 3 hours could make a massive difference. when it comes to ansomeone i believe this is what's going on. I can't speak for other brands but im pretty posative all ansomeone comes directly from 1 place.

but yea, i'll def be interested in your numbers from US pharma. when you doing that?
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nah bro, i'm not saying just "sitting on a runway". i'm saying sitting in some hot ass mail sorting room from china to russia. sitting out on the runway in the sun, sitting on a hot part of a plain, sitting in the back of a hot mail truck, then getting to russia and then going through all that again to get from russia to you. i'm not making excuses here. i'm simply saying the difference in circumstances when going through so many countries could be huge. i've had some kits just sit in some mail sorting room for a fucken week and others go through in hours. what if that sorting room is 80 degrees? 80 degrees for a week vs the kit that only sat in there for 3 hours could make a massive difference. when it comes to ansomeone i believe this is what's going on. I can't speak for other brands but im pretty posative all ansomeone comes directly from 1 place.

but yea, i'll def be interested in your numbers from US pharma. when you doing that?


looking to pic up some US Pharma soon. I mean I getting sick of spending 1000's of dollars on HGH that is not living up to what its supposed to be. I have spent 3k in 6 months to world. the last purchase was the jins for 400 units for 805$. im looking to get my money back from them if my test results come back at 600-700. I will take my L on the other 2200$ but im really upset about the jins. so the last 2 tests results on the jins have come back at below 300 and mine at 400 and both tests where at 5ius I think. those numbers are not good.
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looking to pic up some US Pharma soon. I mean I getting sick of spending 1000's of dollars on HGH that is not living up to what its supposed to be. I have spent 3k in 6 months to world. the last purchase was the jins for 400 units for 805$. im looking to get my money back from them if my test results come back at 600-700. I will take my L on the other 2200$ but im really upset about the jins. so the last 2 tests results on the jins have come back at below 300 and mine at 400 and both tests where at 5ius I think. those numbers are not good.
I'll tell you now. I wouldn't expect a full refund like the other guy got. That guys numbers came back at like 125 igf score so that's basically no GH in the product. he deserved a full refund.

with an IGF score of 400 something there is definitely real GH in the product but possibly underdosed by 3iu or so per bottle. you can maybe expect a portion of your money back for those missing iu's and I will do what I can to help you get that portion back, but you shouldn't expect a full refund.
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I'll tell you now. I wouldn't expect a full refund like the other guy got. That guys numbers came back at like 125 igf score so that's basically no GH in the product. he deserved a full refund.

with an IGF score of 400 something there is definitely real GH in the product but possibly underdosed by 3iu or so per bottle. you can maybe expect a portion of your money back for those missing iu's and I will do what I can to help you get that portion back, but you shouldn't expect a full refund.
so are you saying you are ok at 5ius with a 400 IGF-1 result??? im emailing world/jintropin to figure something out between us. I asked him to send me 2 weeks of Pfizer Genotropin and I will test bloods on that to see IGF-1 results. im getting sick of spending 1000's of dollars on HGH. I know right now I could buy it from HGH Labz and get fully dosed HGH. I think people should know that they are not getting fully dosed HGH form world and select. I know it has hgh in it but goes back to what Rocket was stating, they are saying 10ius a vial and it 100% is not. im being mislead and its wrong.
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so are you saying you are ok at 5ius with a 400 IGF-1 result??? im emailing world/jintropin to figure something out between us. I asked him to send me 2 weeks of Pfizer Genotropin and I will test bloods on that to see IGF-1 results. im getting sick of spending 1000's of dollars on HGH. I know right now I could buy it from HGH Labz and get fully dosed HGH. I think people should know that they are not getting fully dosed HGH form world and select. I know it has hgh in it but goes back to what Rocket was stating, they are saying 10ius a vial and it 100% is not. im being mislead and its wrong.
Didn't I just say you are entitled to a portion of your money back and that I would try and help you get that back? Don't put words in my mouth. I said don't expect a full refund when there is most definitely 7iu per vial on average. Should there be 10iu. Absolutely. But does he owe you a complete refund? Not IMO. He owes you for those missing iu only.
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Didn't I just say you are entitled to a portion of your money back and that I would try and help you get that back? Don't put words in my mouth. I said don't expect a full refund when there is most definitely 7iu per vial on average. Should there be 10iu. Absolutely. But does he owe you a complete refund? Not IMO. He owes you for those missing iu only.
I understand that there is hgh in the vials. over the last 6 months I have purchased 1700 ius of hgh form world
400 ius of jins (if there is 6ius in each vial I bought a real 240 ius for $805 with the discount for running bloods)
1300 ius hyge ( if there is 3 ius per vial I bought a real 390 ius for $2100) so if the numbers keep coming back the same way people are getting beat out of money from these 2 sites. I could have purchased from HGH labz at $260 a box of ansomones and gotten a real 1100 ius of hgh for my 3K I gave to world. so world has given me so far about 600-650 ius of HGH. I paid for 1700 ius of HGH that is not right and Rocket was stating that and we are proving it.
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I understand that there is hgh in the vials. over the last 6 months I have purchased 1700 ius of hgh form world
400 ius of jins (if there is 6ius in each vial I bought a real 240 ius for $805 with the discount for running bloods)
1300 ius hyge ( if there is 3 ius per vial I bought a real 390 ius for $2100) so if the numbers keep coming back the same way people are getting beat out of money from these 2 sites. I could have purchased from HGH labz at $260 a box of ansomones and gotten a real 1100 ius of hgh for my 3K I gave to world. so world has given me so far about 600-650 ius of HGH. I paid for 1700 ius of HGH that is not right and Rocket was stating that and we are proving it.
Your repeating yourself bro. I will say this one more time. You are owed for every single iu you paid for and we're not given. But you are not owed for the GH you were given. I got your back when it comes to the ius you were shorted.

Run the human grade and get those results up when you can.
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im looking for world/jintropin.us to make it right. I don't need a full refund, im working with him hopefully to get some more hgh and test it again and put it on the site. I want to have all the HGH tested and numbers up on the forum so people could know the truth on what they are getting and paying for. the jins are better that the hyge for sure and maybe the Pfizer Genotropin will be the best. then people will know and they could make a decision based on all the info on the forum.
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im not here to argue at all im just trying to find out what is the best. I will keep you posted on what we decide.
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Hello.
First of all, I do not see a real reason why Josh is not satisfied. 5 iu of Jintropin increased his IGF from 125 to 406 in 2 weeks, which is more than 3 times higher. Also, 5 iu showed 15 ng/ml HGH serum result, which is an excellent result for 5 IU because it shows exact level of growth hormone which was induced by injection. I completely understand that solely HGH serum may not show the full picture of HGH efficacy, but very high HGH serum is a good indicator in conjunction with 3 times increase of IGF-1.

Secondly, our discussion with Josh has always been stuck in explaining that each personís body is different and the same amount of HGH injected may not give the same IGF level as other members of the forum get from another product. It is so because of the following reasons:

1) Basement IGF level. It varies from 50 to 250 depending on age, genetics, and style of living.
2) IGF 1 is a part of the whole hormonal system and it is influenced by androgynous, thyroid hormones and insulin. Slightly low levels of one of those will decrease level of igf-1
3) IGF-1 is not HGH - IGF is a result of HGH conversion in the liver by binding to somatropin receptors. If the liver is not in good condition during usage of HGH, growth hormone will not be converted fully to IGF.
4) Training and dieting also influence IGF level. Large protein consumption and intensive training will increase IGF levels. Unfortunately, we cannot track and measure the role of these factors.
5) IGF levels also vary depending on the exact moment when the blood was drawn as difference only in this aspect can be up to 20 %.

Basing on facts of triple increase of IGF levels, high HGH serum and fact that kits of Jintropin were fully sealed and passed verification, there is no reason for a refund.
If you are still not convinced, we offer you to send a sample of Jintropin to a laboratory of your own choice for mass spectrometry analysis. We will pay for the analysis and shipping to a lab.
The idea of passing another test using another brand from the pharmacy does not seem to be appropriate simply because of 2,3,4, 5 items above and the fact that we cannot track the way you use it, as well as the place where you buy it. Also, it will be very expensive comparing to lab analysis, which as I said we are ready to pay for.
So, I believe that the quality will gain if we apply the solution, which we propose. Thank you!
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First of all, I do not see a real reason why Josh is not satisfied. 5 iu of Jintropin increased his IGF from 125 to 406 in 2 weeks, which is more than 3 times higher. Also, 5 iu showed 15 ng/ml HGH serum result, which is an excellent result for 5 IU because it shows exact level of growth hormone which was induced by injection. I completely understand that solely HGH serum may not show the full picture of HGH efficacy, but very high HGH serum is a good indicator in conjunction with 3 times increase of IGF-1.

Secondly, our discussion with Josh has always been stuck in explaining that each person’s body is different and the same amount of HGH injected may not give the same IGF level as other members of the forum get from another product. It is so because of the following reasons:

1) Basement IGF level. It varies from 50 to 250 depending on age, genetics, and style of living.
2) IGF 1 is a part of the whole hormonal system and it is influenced by androgynous, thyroid hormones and insulin. Slightly low levels of one of those will decrease level of igf-1
3) IGF-1 is not HGH - IGF is a result of HGH conversion in the liver by binding to somatropin receptors. If the liver is not in good condition during usage of HGH, growth hormone will not be converted fully to IGF.
4) Training and dieting also influence IGF level. Large protein consumption and intensive training will increase IGF levels. Unfortunately, we cannot track and measure the role of these factors.
5) IGF levels also vary depending on the exact moment when the blood was drawn as difference only in this aspect can be up to 20 %.

Basing on facts of triple increase of IGF levels, high HGH serum and fact that kits of Jintropin were fully sealed and passed verification, there is no reason for a refund.
If you are still not convinced, we offer you to send a sample of Jintropin to a laboratory of your own choice for mass spectrometry analysis. We will pay for the analysis and shipping to a lab.
The idea of passing another test using another brand from the pharmacy does not seem to be appropriate simply because of 2,3,4, 5 items above and the fact that we cannot track the way you use it, as well as the place where you buy it. Also, it will be very expensive comparing to lab analysis, which as I said we are ready to pay for.
So, I believe that the quality will gain if we apply the solution, which we propose. Thank you!
his issue is that anyone running real euro or US pharma gh at 5iu almost always tests out at 600-700 igf level. usually 400's igf level would be 3iu-4iu. so he feels like its not a fully dosed product. he thinks each vial is around 7iu instead of the claimed 10iu.
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I'm claiming that the hgh is not a true 10ius per vial. 400 IGF-1 is a much better score than the 275 IGF-1 that I scored on the hygetropin I bought from you. The jins tested better and they should have they cost more. I'm going to test some US pharma and if I test 550-700 IGF-1 at 5ius ,that means the hgh you sell is not a full 10ius per vial. If I test 5ius of US pharma and it comes back at 400 like your jins then I was wrong. But with the past scores from you and select I'm guessing it's not a full 10ius per vial as you advertise. Bouncer did Rado get his bloods from the Ansomone from select yet? Also I'm going to get a kit of ansomone from HGHLABZ.COM and test that. If that comes back with the numbers that chad and rocket got it will prove your hgh is not a full 10ius. I will keep you posted. I hope if my numbers come back at 600 plus you will make things right on your end. If not bad business for you guys and I hope bouncer will take action again you. If they come back at 400 I will post and say your hgh is fully doesed. I'm not out to shame anyone just get info out to the people spending there hard earned money.

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I fully understand your position, but we insist on a laboratory analysis ó just because we are completely sure that our Jintropin is fully dosed, and it is the only way to show that our product is properly dosed and genuine.
It would be better for both of us because you will get a free and definite proof of what is inside the vial. Because of all the reasons, which we described earlier, using and comparing HGH from another company will not be the best way to find out which one is fully dosed and which one is not. It may cause incorrect conclusions about HGHlabz or our company.
Of course, you can test HGH from HGHlabz as well, but please describe your experience with it in their section, not here.
As a conclusion, we insist on running mass spectrometry analysis and not another type of test to provide clear and unbiased results.
I am e-mailing you the list of companies in the US which can do it. We e-mailed them already and will assist you during the procedure as much as possible if you wish.
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how much does mass spectrometry cost and who is gonna pay for it? shits like thousands of dollars no?
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I just got my base line done last week 53 years old never running anything that would alter it. I'm at 186.
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that is high for your age. I wish I was that high and im only 37.
Mine was 118....

Not sure why so many people base their numbers off someone else's?

We are all different. I'm 42 with a base of 118....this number can and will fluctuate between times and day of test.
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I'm claiming that the hgh is not a true 10ius per vial. 400 IGF-1 is a much better score than the 275 IGF-1 that I scored on the hygetropin I bought from you. The jins tested better and they should have they cost more. I'm going to test some US pharma and if I test 550-700 IGF-1 at 5ius ,that means the hgh you sell is not a full 10ius per vial. If I test 5ius of US pharma and it comes back at 400 like your jins then I was wrong. But with the past scores from you and select I'm guessing it's not a full 10ius per vial as you advertise. Bouncer did Rado get his bloods from the Ansomone from select yet? Also I'm going to get a kit of ansomone from HGHLABZ.COM and test that. If that comes back with the numbers that chad and rocket got it will prove your hgh is not a full 10ius. I will keep you posted. I hope if my numbers come back at 600 plus you will make things right on your end. If not bad business for you guys and I hope bouncer will take action again you. If they come back at 400 I will post and say your hgh is fully doesed. I'm not out to shame anyone just get info out to the people spending there hard earned money.

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Hello.
First of all, I do not see a real reason why Josh is not satisfied. 5 iu of Jintropin increased his IGF from 125 to 406 in 2 weeks, which is more than 3 times higher. Also, 5 iu showed 15 ng/ml HGH serum result, which is an excellent result for 5 IU because it shows exact level of growth hormone which was induced by injection. I completely understand that solely HGH serum may not show the full picture of HGH efficacy, but very high HGH serum is a good indicator in conjunction with 3 times increase of IGF-1.

Secondly, our discussion with Josh has always been stuck in explaining that each personís body is different and the same amount of HGH injected may not give the same IGF level as other members of the forum get from another product. It is so because of the following reasons:

1) Basement IGF level. It varies from 50 to 250 depending on age, genetics, and style of living.
2) IGF 1 is a part of the whole hormonal system and it is influenced by androgynous, thyroid hormones and insulin. Slightly low levels of one of those will decrease level of igf-1
3) IGF-1 is not HGH - IGF is a result of HGH conversion in the liver by binding to somatropin receptors. If the liver is not in good condition during usage of HGH, growth hormone will not be converted fully to IGF.
4) Training and dieting also influence IGF level. Large protein consumption and intensive training will increase IGF levels. Unfortunately, we cannot track and measure the role of these factors.
5) IGF levels also vary depending on the exact moment when the blood was drawn as difference only in this aspect can be up to 20 %.

Basing on facts of triple increase of IGF levels, high HGH serum and fact that kits of Jintropin were fully sealed and passed verification, there is no reason for a refund.
If you are still not convinced, we offer you to send a sample of Jintropin to a laboratory of your own choice for mass spectrometry analysis. We will pay for the analysis and shipping to a lab.
The idea of passing another test using another brand from the pharmacy does not seem to be appropriate simply because of 2,3,4, 5 items above and the fact that we cannot track the way you use it, as well as the place where you buy it. Also, it will be very expensive comparing to lab analysis, which as I said we are ready to pay for.
So, I believe that the quality will gain if we apply the solution, which we propose. Thank you!
well number 5 is a complete BS lie you can go 14 hours and test just fine any longer than that I do not know but why would you?

you excuse of it raised it 3 times as high is BS also if that was me I would be pissed but I also know jin have never tested good NEVER they are always underdosed
but your point of his numbers and mine not being the same is very true he never used real Gh to compare it so his score might be spot on (I doubt it) but very well could be.

at this point with what he has tested you should not refund him as there is no prof what his scores should be.

I do not have enough info to say anymore but I have been seeing that 1iu is raising 100 points IGF this is only a few subjects and no way science but I am starting to see that happen more and more. if thats the case yours is off but not enough info to really say that at this point.
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I understand that there is hgh in the vials. over the last 6 months I have purchased 1700 ius of hgh form world
400 ius of jins (if there is 6ius in each vial I bought a real 240 ius for $805 with the discount for running bloods)
1300 ius hyge ( if there is 3 ius per vial I bought a real 390 ius for $2100) so if the numbers keep coming back the same way people are getting beat out of money from these 2 sites. I could have purchased from HGH labz at $260 a box of ansomones and gotten a real 1100 ius of hgh for my 3K I gave to world. so world has given me so far about 600-650 ius of HGH. I paid for 1700 ius of HGH that is not right and Rocket was stating that and we are proving it.
bro I am in no way trying to sound like a dick cuz I know this is a lot of cash but why do you think I was so upset before when that scammer select is ripping people off? there is no solid proof world is with Jin's but I tried and tried to tell all of you but no one wants to listen just get free boxes and of coarse who cares if its 7ius but when you pay for it you want 10 I get it I am on your side you should of been on mine. I am no drug dealer I have nothing to gain or loose you should of trusted my opinion. right now HGHLABZ is only one I would buy from on this site.
saying that I just gave blood again today to see if the result is consistent.

good thing about all of this is you got some GH not what you paid for but with no proof that you score should be you have no fight here bro sorry.
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bro I am in no way trying to sound like a dick cuz I know this is a lot of cash but why do you think I was so upset before when that scammer select is ripping people off? there is no solid proof world is with Jin's but I tried and tried to tell all of you but no one wants to listen just get free boxes and of coarse who cares if its 7ius but when you pay for it you want 10 I get it I am on your side you should of been on mine. I am no drug dealer I have nothing to gain or loose you should of trusted my opinion. right now HGHLABZ is only one I would buy from on this site.
saying that I just gave blood again today to see if the result is consistent.

good thing about all of this is you got some GH not what you paid for but with no proof that you score should be you have no fight here bro sorry.
I have listened to all your information and I haven't gotten anything free like bouncer and these guys. I have paid for everything I got. This is why I am upset. Everything that you stated is right on and no one can state different. I wanted to do as much testing and research before I fully agreed with either side. I like to have the facts before making a decision. With all the tests heading in the same direction it's easy to see now. It was good to get all this testing done so now people could see this information and make a decision based on what is really in the vials of hgh from select and world. Even if they get it from the distributor it doesn't have the same numbers as HGHLABZ or real US pharma, as from your results and chads. I will post my hgh results in the future from US pharma , but it will be a while. Thanks again everyone doing all the blood work it was very helpful.

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I thought it was common knowledge that black market HGH was underdosed?
Also, you guys are trying way too hard to make a pattern on levels. Pharmacokinetics isn't that simple.

It is 1/4 of the price of prescription grade. I guess I'm confused on what people think they should get on the black market.
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his issue is that anyone running real euro or US pharma gh at 5iu almost always tests out at 600-700 igf level. usually 400's igf level would be 3iu-4iu. so he feels like its not a fully dosed product. he thinks each vial is around 7iu instead of the claimed 10iu.
So people really expect to get the same thing for half the price???
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I thought it was common knowledge that black market HGH was underdosed?
Also, you guys are trying way too hard to make a pattern on levels. Pharmacokinetics isn't that simple.

It is 1/4 of the price of prescription grade. I guess I'm confused on what people think they should get on the black market.
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If that is what they are claiming yes. You should receive 10ius of hgh per vial not 3-6. Also if HGHLABZ has the same numbers of IGF-1 as US pharma and is selling ansomone for the same price as select and world why would I buy it from select or world?

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If that is what they are claiming yes. You should receive 10ius of hgh per vial not 3-6. Also if HGHLABZ has the same numbers of IGF-1 as US pharma and is selling ansomone for the same price as select and world why would I buy it from select or world?

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Bro buy ansomone from hghlabz 10 times and test 10 separate times. Your numbers will be different everytime.
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If that is what they are claiming yes. You should receive 10ius of hgh per vial not 3-6. Also if HGHLABZ has the same numbers of IGF-1 as US pharma and is selling ansomone for the same price as select and world why would I buy it from select or world?

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Claiming? This is the black market. The rules don't apply.

The peddlers in NYC claim to have real purses and movies, doesn't make it true.

And I think you answered you question. Why would you buy from him?
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