SuperiorMuscle.com - Bodybuilding Forums
Register Members Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   SuperiorMuscle.com - Bodybuilding Forums > Superior Fitness Section > Nutrition
Reload this Page Keto diet

Nutrition Dieting & Nutrition Discussion


Like Tree1Likes
  • 1 Post By AvidFisherman

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 10-16-18, 07:41 PM
Keto diet
  #1
 
Superior Newbie
Join Date: Jul 2007
Likes: 11
Is anyone on a keto diet? Or has anyone tried it long enough to give it an honest review? I'm just about to do an 8 week shread but im dreading the low carb diet that it takes for me to get super lean.....(7% - 9% BF)
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-18, 08:29 PM
  #2
 
redback's Avatar
 
Founding Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Likes: 870
Been on about a week. Definitely have more energy and lost a few pounds already. No bloated feeling or lethargy.
is Online   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-18, 09:22 PM
  #3
 
Superior Newbie
Join Date: Jul 2007
Likes: 11
I like the fact that I can feel full longer with the fats and a little more satisfied with certian types of food like red meat and bacon. I am concerned about cal consumption tho.....could add up quick......do you do any intermittent fasting with Keto?
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-18, 11:41 PM
  #4
 
redback's Avatar
 
Founding Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Likes: 870
No im finding it the opposite with cals. Im only jjust getting in 3000. I find with carbs I can get higher cals. This is my first time with keto though so im definitely no expert but so far its great
is Online   Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-18, 07:56 PM
  #5
 
Superior Newbie
Join Date: Jul 2007
Likes: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by redback View Post
No im finding it the opposite with cals. Im only jjust getting in 3000. I find with carbs I can get higher cals. This is my first time with keto though so im definitely no expert but so far its great
What's a day of eating for you look like? Do you mind listing it?
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-18, 10:31 PM
  #6
 
Bouncer's Avatar
 
Administrator
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: WILD WEST
Likes: 11596
Quote:
Originally Posted by redback View Post
Been on about a week. Definitely have more energy and lost a few pounds already. No bloated feeling or lethargy.
You been on no carbs for a week and have more energy? Lol. Your not very strict with it then. A week into a keto diet is when people crash.

Sent from my Moto G6 using Tapatalk
is Online   Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-18, 10:57 PM
  #7
 
redback's Avatar
 
Founding Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Likes: 870
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bouncer View Post
You been on no carbs for a week and have more energy? Lol. Your not very strict with it then. A week into a keto diet is when people crash.

Sent from my Moto G6 using Tapatalk
Bullshit!. It takes about 72 hrs to go into ketosis after cutting carbs.

Carbs have always made me bloated. As soon as I cut carbs the bloating went away and so did the lethargy.

If I have a big carb meal with say rice or pasta I feel like shit for two hours after. With keto I can eat huge steaks and not even feel full afterwards. Maybe carbs just dont agree with me.

It changes a bit everyday depending on where I am but
yesterday was...

Meal 1 = 6 eggs with 1 tbl peanut butter
Meal 2 = 1 black coffee, (2 beef pattys, 1 slice bacon - from macdonalds)
Meal 3 = 6 eggs
Meal 4 = 2 eggs , 6 x rasher bacon
Meal 5 = 1 Porterhouse steak, 6 eggs
Meal 6 = 4 eggs with peanut butter

I have peices of paper all over my desk with numbers written out everywhere but this day was roughly =

3216 cals
216 fat
281 Protein
carbs would be a few grams if that. Whatever was in the peanut butter.

About 4bls down already
is Online   Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-18, 10:57 PM
  #8
 
redback's Avatar
 
Founding Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Likes: 870
Quote:
Originally Posted by convictmuscle View Post
What's a day of eating for you look like? Do you mind listing it?
What does yours look like?
is Online   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-18, 10:18 AM
  #9
 
Bouncer's Avatar
 
Administrator
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: WILD WEST
Likes: 11596
Quote:
Originally Posted by redback View Post
Bullshit!. It takes about 72 hrs to go into ketosis after cutting carbs.

Carbs have always made me bloated. As soon as I cut carbs the bloating went away and so did the lethargy.

If I have a big carb meal with say rice or pasta I feel like shit for two hours after. With keto I can eat huge steaks and not even feel full afterwards. Maybe carbs just dont agree with me.

It changes a bit everyday depending on where I am but
yesterday was...

Meal 1 = 6 eggs with 1 tbl peanut butter
Meal 2 = 1 black coffee, (2 beef pattys, 1 slice bacon - from macdonalds)
Meal 3 = 6 eggs
Meal 4 = 2 eggs , 6 x rasher bacon
Meal 5 = 1 Porterhouse steak, 6 eggs
Meal 6 = 4 eggs with peanut butter

I have peices of paper all over my desk with numbers written out everywhere but this day was roughly =

3216 cals
216 fat
281 Protein
carbs would be a few grams if that. Whatever was in the peanut butter.

About 4bls down already
i'd drop 25lbs in 2 months on that diet. i'd also be absolutely starving. you must be female sized.

add to that, diet looks like a heart attack in the making. aren't you always concerned with that?

i need carbs to keep my muscle full. without carbs i deflate like crazy. no pumps etc..

i eat tons of carbs and protein with very little fat. that's what works for me.
is Online   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-18, 02:08 PM
  #10
 
rado's Avatar
 
Founding Member
Join Date: Jun 2012
Likes: 3572
I hate carbs while ON. Carbs are needed for me while I'm off. Otherwise I would not maintain the bit of size I do have.

So many variations as to how someone should eat, obviously we are all diff.

The one I've been really intrigued by as of late, is intermittent fasting;NOW THAT is proven to be good for you.
is Online   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-18, 03:54 PM
  #11
 
Superior Newbie
Join Date: Jul 2007
Likes: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by rado View Post
I hate carbs while ON. Carbs are needed for me while I'm off. Otherwise I would not maintain the bit of size I do have.

So many variations as to how someone should eat, obviously we are all diff.

The one I've been really intrigued by as of late, is intermittent fasting;NOW THAT is proven to be good for you.

Check this link out regarding intermittent fasting and Keto

https://youtu.be/MZkFDnDoIf4
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-18, 04:11 PM
  #12
 
Superior Newbie
Join Date: Jul 2007
Likes: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by redback View Post
What does yours look like?
So I'm just getting started and trying to figure it out still but here's what I do:

1) Greens supplement to get all my veggies (not sure if it knocks me out of keto?)
With 3 whole eggs and 3 slices of bacon

2) 6 oz chicken and about a half cup of ground beef with Broccoli

3) 3 whole eggs with 3 slices of bacon

4) same as meal 2

Train

5) PWO protein shake with creatine (not sure if that ok?)

6) same as meal 2 and 4

Sleep
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-18, 11:56 PM
  #13
 
redback's Avatar
 
Founding Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Likes: 870
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bouncer View Post
i'd drop 25lbs in 2 months on that diet. i'd also be absolutely starving. you must be female sized.

add to that, diet looks like a heart attack in the making. aren't you always concerned with that?

i need carbs to keep my muscle full. without carbs i deflate like crazy. no pumps etc..

i eat tons of carbs and protein with very little fat. that's what works for me.
Bro you are still living in 2015. So these keto guys and some of the new generation of medical practitioners believe that carbs are the cause of heart disease NOT animal fats. There are all kinds of studies coming out now to prove this. There was also an interesting one I posted here a while ago saying cholesterol is not linked to heart disease but an interesting point is that MOST people who are on keto actually reduce their overall blood cholesterol. Check out the bacon experiment, guy eats only bacon for 30 days and his cholesterol dropped and bloods were perfect.

Think about human evolution, our ancestors (cavemen etc) never had carbs (not processed carbs...no rice pasta etc), they relied mostly on protein and fat from hunting.

A lot of the old school guys from the 70's used these keto style diets. Arnold has said that there was no such word as "cardio" back then and all most guys did were cut carbs for two months before a show.

In saying all that i'm not 100% convinced until I try it for a month and then get bloodwork. I will be very interested to see how it does affect cholesterol.

Im also doing this because I was starting to get pretty fat around the belly.

BTW how many cals a day are you doing now? Whats your diet look like?
is Online   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-18, 01:20 PM
  #14
 
Superior Newbie
Join Date: Jul 2007
Likes: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by redback View Post
Bro you are still living in 2015. So these keto guys and some of the new generation of medical practitioners believe that carbs are the cause of heart disease NOT animal fats. There are all kinds of studies coming out now to prove this. There was also an interesting one I posted here a while ago saying cholesterol is not linked to heart disease but an interesting point is that MOST people who are on keto actually reduce their overall blood cholesterol. Check out the bacon experiment, guy eats only bacon for 30 days and his cholesterol dropped and bloods were perfect.

Think about human evolution, our ancestors (cavemen etc) never had carbs (not processed carbs...no rice pasta etc), they relied mostly on protein and fat from hunting.

A lot of the old school guys from the 70's used these keto style diets. Arnold has said that there was no such word as "cardio" back then and all most guys did were cut carbs for two months before a show.

In saying all that i'm not 100% convinced until I try it for a month and then get bloodwork. I will be very interested to see how it does affect cholesterol.

Im also doing this because I was starting to get pretty fat around the belly.

BTW how many cals a day are you doing now? Whats your diet look like?


I'm interest to see B's diet and cal consumption as well.
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-18, 01:40 PM
  #15
 
Bouncer's Avatar
 
Administrator
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: WILD WEST
Likes: 11596
it's the opposite of keto. high carbs low fat.
is Online   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-18, 02:31 PM
  #16
 
AvidFisherman's Avatar
 
Superior Pro
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Fishin' in the dark
Likes: 497
Quote:
Originally Posted by redback View Post
Bro you are still living in 2015. So these keto guys and some of the new generation of medical practitioners believe that carbs are the cause of heart disease NOT animal fats. There are all kinds of studies coming out now to prove this. There was also an interesting one I posted here a while ago saying cholesterol is not linked to heart disease but an interesting point is that MOST people who are on keto actually reduce their overall blood cholesterol. Check out the bacon experiment, guy eats only bacon for 30 days and his cholesterol dropped and bloods were perfect.

Think about human evolution, our ancestors (cavemen etc) never had carbs (not processed carbs...no rice pasta etc), they relied mostly on protein and fat from hunting.

A lot of the old school guys from the 70's used these keto style diets. Arnold has said that there was no such word as "cardio" back then and all most guys did were cut carbs for two months before a show.

In saying all that i'm not 100% convinced until I try it for a month and then get bloodwork. I will be very interested to see how it does affect cholesterol.

Im also doing this because I was starting to get pretty fat around the belly.

BTW how many cals a day are you doing now? Whats your diet look like?
I dont agree with the whole "caveman diet" gimmick. Sure they didn't eat a bunch of rice or pasta but they also didn't live past their 30s.

Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk
Scrumhalf likes this.
is Online   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-18, 09:40 PM
  #17
 
redback's Avatar
 
Founding Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Likes: 870
Quote:
Originally Posted by AvidFisherman View Post
I dont agree with the whole "caveman diet" gimmick. Sure they didn't eat a bunch of rice or pasta but they also didn't live past their 30s.

Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk
Well looking at your Avi..you are a perfect example of why I am cutting carbs.

lol no offense big boy
is Online   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-18, 07:50 AM
  #18
 
Bouncer's Avatar
 
Administrator
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: WILD WEST
Likes: 11596
Quote:
Originally Posted by AvidFisherman View Post
I dont agree with the whole "caveman diet" gimmick. Sure they didn't eat a bunch of rice or pasta but they also didn't live past their 30s.

Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk
They didn't live long because they were busy getting eaten by fucken lions and speers and shit.

Sent from my Moto G6 using Tapatalk
is Online   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-18, 07:52 AM
  #19
 
Bouncer's Avatar
 
Administrator
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: WILD WEST
Likes: 11596
Quote:
Originally Posted by redback View Post
Well looking at your Avi..you are a perfect example of why I am cutting carbs.

lol no offense big boy
I've been as low as 5-6% bodyfat on 300 grams carbs a day..

Chicken, oats mixed with craisens. Ate nothing else.

Anyone that tells you can't get lean unless you cut carbs doesn't know their elbow from their asshole.

Sent from my Moto G6 using Tapatalk
is Online   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-18, 03:01 PM
  #20
 
rado's Avatar
 
Founding Member
Join Date: Jun 2012
Likes: 3572
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bouncer View Post
I've been as low as 5-6% bodyfat on 300 grams carbs a day..

Chicken, oats mixed with craisens. Ate nothing else.

Anyone that tells you can't get lean unless you cut carbs doesn't know their elbow from their asshole.

Sent from my Moto G6 using Tapatalk
Agreed!!!


You can be lean with or without carbs.
is Online   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-18, 08:30 PM
  #21
 
redback's Avatar
 
Founding Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Likes: 870
You guys are right. You can still do it with carbs but I jumped on the scale yesterday and I have lost 16lbs in week 1 on this keto. All I have eaten is bacon and eggs and steaks. Did not expect to loose this much so fast.
is Online   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-18, 11:03 PM
  #22
 
Bouncer's Avatar
 
Administrator
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: WILD WEST
Likes: 11596
Quote:
Originally Posted by redback View Post
You guys are right. You can still do it with carbs but I jumped on the scale yesterday and I have lost 16lbs in week 1 on this keto. All I have eaten is bacon and eggs and steaks. Did not expect to loose this much so fast.
first 2 weeks you lose water. now the muscle lose begins. 3 months you'll look like a sickly aids fella with terrible cholesterol and fat in your blood.

look up how the atkins creator died. lolz
is Online   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-18, 12:18 AM
  #23
 
redback's Avatar
 
Founding Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Likes: 870
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bouncer View Post
first 2 weeks you lose water. now the muscle lose begins. 3 months you'll look like a sickly aids fella with terrible cholesterol and fat in your blood.

look up how the atkins creator died. lolz
haha I hope not but yeh I have lost half inch off arms already fuk sake. I dont wanna get small bro.
is Online   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-18, 09:04 PM
  #24
 
Superior Newbie
Join Date: Jul 2007
Likes: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bouncer View Post
I've been as low as 5-6% bodyfat on 300 grams carbs a day..

Chicken, oats mixed with craisens. Ate nothing else.

Anyone that tells you can't get lean unless you cut carbs doesn't know their elbow from their asshole.

Sent from my Moto G6 using Tapatalk

I agree but for me it's about which path to get to 6% is best for me and my lifestyle, without being a complete asshole. When I cut carbs to 300 or less a day I become easily irritated and impatient.

I've found with keto, so far, I'm not like that as I'm always satisfied. Make sense?

I beleive both paths work but its a matter of which works best for each individual.

I'll see in 8 weeks if this works for me or not. Maybe I'll shrivel up to nothing and be disgusted OR maybe I'll get super lean but not be an asshole though the process......

I'm not unusually one to knock something until I've tried it myself. Then i can speak from personal experience.

Red - upsates as you go would be awesome!
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-18, 04:42 AM
  #25
 
redback's Avatar
 
Founding Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Likes: 870
16 lbs down in first week.

Had a cheat (day) on Sunday and went back up 10lbs in one day.
is Online   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-18, 08:14 PM
  #26
 
Superior Newbie
Join Date: Jul 2007
Likes: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by redback View Post
16 lbs down in first week.

Had a cheat (day) on Sunday and went back up 10lbs in one day.
What did you eat? A shit ton of carbs?
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-18, 11:02 PM
  #27
 
redback's Avatar
 
Founding Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Likes: 870
Quote:
Originally Posted by convictmuscle View Post
What did you eat? A shit ton of carbs?
Everything in site. Take away all day and a shit ton of protein shakes with full cream milk
is Online   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-18, 03:16 PM
  #28
 
Superior Amateur
Join Date: Nov 2017
Likes: 13
Some helpful tips/meals for beginners starting the (keto) ketogenic diet from this thread.
is Online   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-18, 08:33 PM
  #29
 
Superior Newbie
Join Date: Jul 2007
Likes: 11
Red, hows keto going?
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-18, 10:27 PM
  #30
 
redback's Avatar
 
Founding Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Likes: 870
Quote:
Originally Posted by convictmuscle View Post
Red, hows keto going?
I stopped because I was losing too much weight and looked flat.

I have come to the conclusion that carbs are extremely important for bodybuilding but for overall health and increasing heart disease they are poison.

I'm not totally done with it. I'm experimenting with a few different things at the moment....for me at my age im trying to find the right balance between being healthy and gaining more size.
is Online   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-18, 11:52 PM
  #31
 
Bouncer's Avatar
 
Administrator
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: WILD WEST
Likes: 11596
Quote:
Originally Posted by redback View Post
I stopped because I was losing too much weight and looked flat.

I have come to the conclusion that carbs are extremely important for bodybuilding but for overall health and increasing heart disease they are poison.

I'm not totally done with it. I'm experimenting with a few different things at the moment....for me at my age im trying to find the right balance between being healthy and gaining more size.
Exactly shit makes you look sickly.

not just important for bodybuilding. almost all high level athletes consume a whole lot of carbs. yes you can find examples of people like Tom Brady and others but the large majority consume tons of carbs. you ever watch the tour de france? those guys suck down sugar packets while riding. they have insane levels of endurance. their resting heart rate is like 50. lol. people like Phelps or Bolt both Olympic champions many times over consume massive amounts of carbs to fuel their body. there is a disconnect with your poison theory and the reality bro.

i believe carbs for active and healthy individuals is absolutely necessary for optimal performance.

i think you are correct with your poison theory when it comes to people who are not physically active. when your body is just storing all the excess carbs then yes that cannot be healthy. so while I think you are on to something with carbs being poison i think you are misguided by applying your poison theory to everyone. i believe its the excess for sedentary individuals where you are spot on about carbs. it's like filling up a car with fuel once it's already full. the fuel will just pour out and go all the fuck over the place eventually causing real problems.

extreme view points are almost always wrong. the truth is in the middle. too many carbs for people who sit around all day is poison. that's a more accurate statement then the shit you been spewing because you watched a few tinfoil hat anti carb movies. snap out of it dick head.

Sent from my Moto G6 using Tapatalk
is Online   Reply With Quote

SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0