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Old 08-02-17, 07:59 PM
Avid's low test, high tren, low calories, and high protein PSL log
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Experiment:

Length of time 12 weeks.

Thesis:
By putting myself on a calorie deficit of 55% of my maintenance calories but keep my protein intake high, and suppliment extraneous hormones, I will be able to loose body fat mass rapidly while increasing muscle mass.

Once I start my blast I will drop my calories to 1800kcal/day: 270g protein, 40g fat, 90g carbohydrates


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Low dose test: 200mg/week 12 weeks*

Moderate/high tren: 600mg/week 12 weeks*

Moderate masteron enathte : 600mg/week 12 weeks*

Turnibol 50mg/week for 6 weeks*

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sounds interesting. only thing i have to add is that if you get great results dont stop at 12 weeks. keep going till the fat is gone bro!
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I don't really want to be on tren longer than that because of how it tanks my lipids. Ill keep going but switch up compounds.

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I'm doing a cycle switch soon myself. Switching from test and deca to test, mast, anavar.

I'll be interested in how you feel with the low test dose because that's what I plan on doing this winter with a higher dose of deca.
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I read that it decreases tren sides greatly. limited insomnia, normal sex drive, less bloat, less night sweats, less aggression, and less moodiness. I hope this is true for me.

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Old 08-02-17, 09:16 PM
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I'm pretty sure I am going to get a lipid motoring device. The one I am looking at has an accuracy of 95% and it does not cost more than 2 lipid panels.

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I'm doing a cycle switch soon myself. Switching from test and deca to test, mast, anavar.

I'll be interested in how you feel with the low test dose because that's what I plan on doing this winter with a higher dose of deca.
You gonna have a new favorite if you've never ran mast before.
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Subscribed bud. What do you think about cycling Clen? It definitely works.


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I'm doing a cycle switch soon myself. Switching from test and deca to test, mast, anavar.

I'll be interested in how you feel with the low test dose because that's what I plan on doing this winter with a higher dose of deca.
I thought you were a Deca only cycle or something? Changed your mind?
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Old 08-03-17, 01:19 AM
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Masteron should always be included when running tren IMO... this is why they always make blends with masteron

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Subscribed bud. What do you think about cycling Clen? It definitely works.


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I tried it once a long time ago and didn't like how it made me feel.

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Good luck with this run bro, I hope it works as you desire it too. Just curious as to your thoughts on how you seem to take a compound and then you get emotional issues or something and then ya stop. How will you cope with the sides and stick to it if they occur?
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Many studies show how bad clen is for the heart.

With a good diet and training and the stuff he's on, I'd say he'll be good
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Clen is poison... would not touch it ever for ever again

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Fitness/Nutrition Post #1:

Energy balance is not an exact predictor of changes in body fat, muscle mass, or even body weight. It simply describes how much energy will be stored (in some form) or released from the system. However, energy balance is still the primary tool at our disposal when it comes to maximizing the rate of either loss of fat mass or gain in lean body mass. Regardless of whether you are in a calorie surplus/deficit/balance, the processes of storing and releasing fat from fat cells will be continually running in cycles throughout the day. Fat storage or release from a cell, or even fat oxidation for that matter, should not be considered as one snapshot in time. Fat gain is determined by the net effect over a prolonged period of the continual fat storing and fat releasing cycles. For all intents and purposes, if over a long period of time we have a net negative energy balance, then we can assume in most scenarios it is likely there will be a loss of fat mass.

Pros of an aggressive diet:

Having a more aggressive fat loss diet does not cause more weight regain over traditional dieting and it helps you get into good condition faster.

Large calorie deficits do not always mean muscle mass will be lost. Even advanced trainees and athletes can maintain/gain muscle during a deficit

McMaster University had a study of people on different calorie deficits. The greatest was 40% under their maintenance calories. They trained with high intensity exercise, resistance training, and HIIT. The lower protein group preserved lean mass while the higher protein group gained lean mass. This shows that even with a diet low in protein if you resistance train you can maintain your muscle on a calorie deficit, and if your protein intake is high you can gain muscle mass on a severe calorie deficit.

Researchers at Pennington Biomedical Research Centre published a study looking at the effect of caloric restriction on overweight individuals:

Control= maintenance calories lost 1%

Calorie restriction-25% reduction of calories lost= 10.4%

Calorie restriction and exercise 12.5% decreased calorie and 12.5% increase in energy expenditure= lost 10%

Large Calorie Deficit group- 890 kcal/day until 15% weight reduction and then switched to maintenance= lost 13.9%

Low Calorie dieters had a higher weight reduction even though they only dieted for 8-11 weeks and then went maintenance instead of the full 24 week diet for group 2 and 3.

Cons of an aggressive diet:

Short and more aggressive diets lead to a greater decrease in resting energy expenditure, there is a sharper adaptation to the metabolism. However, because the diet is short you can return to maintenance and reverse most of the metabolic adaptations.

Less food will decrease your maximum recoverable volume so you do not recover from training to the same extent as when you are on a high caloric intake (I've got some hormones coming in that say otherwise ).

Summary:

It comes down to a psychological preference. Do you want to go on a low deficit for a long period of time or a large deficit for a short period of time?

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You gonna have a new favorite if you've never ran mast before.
i ran it with test one other time and loved it. made the test cycle better. from what i understand it's a drug that makes other drugs better. with test its by lowering shbg and freeing up more testosterone for muscle building. it also seems to have some kind of anti estro properties. i'm not sure how it helps with tren but im guessing it does since a bunch of guys here are saying it does.
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I thought you were a Deca only cycle or something? Changed your mind?
i posted about it in the deca thread. just like anytime i run anything with progesterone as soon as i go up to certain dose boom nips get puffy. thats what happened when i increased the deca slightly lol. decided right at that moment the experiment was over. people that just sit back and allow gyno to develop because they want the results of a cycle are retards. if you have tits whats the point.
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i ran it with test one other time and loved it. made the test cycle better. from what i understand it's a drug that makes other drugs better. with test its by lowering shbg and freeing up more testosterone for muscle building. it also seems to have some kind of anti estro properties. i'm not sure how it helps with tren but im guessing it does since a bunch of guys here are saying it does.
Same reason to take it with test because it is sygernetic with Tren... plus it will harden you the fuck up if you are very lean... it's more cosmetic purpose... plus you will have raging boners...

How much you plan to run?

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Same reason to take it with test because it is sygernetic with Tren... plus it will harden you the fuck up if you are very lean... it's more cosmetic purpose... plus you will have raging boners...

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i was thinking 250mgs test e twice a week and 200mgs mast e twice a week with 30mgs anavar.

so 500mgs test and 400mgs mast per week.
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Mast brought out so many more veins I didn't know I had. Of course having diet on point is a given though to get full benefits. And yes.... raging boners all day long. It's my favorite add on to any cycle I think. Makes a lot of people go bald but I have no history of that in my family and so far have not lost any hair.
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Many studies show how bad clen is for the heart.



With a good diet and training and the stuff he's on, I'd say he'll be good


Is it really that bad even if used at moderation? I would understand abusing high dosages for long periods of time


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Is it really that bad even if used at moderation? I would understand abusing high dosages for long periods of time


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Never used clen but read it's horrible.
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Never used clen but read it's horrible.
I have used it in excess of 160mcgs a day...minimum was 130....then I remember bigscott began having some heart issues, posted some good links and well...rest is history
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Even the smallest dose of clen I couldn't hang... they say the shakes go away in few days, but it ain't worth it to me...
I had no sides with DNP besides sweating my ass off... being summer it did not help, but you don't need that shit eithet

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My shoulder and trap work is starting to pay off.

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This was meant for Rados comment before Avid starts throwing a fit lol..

Imagine Avid looking like that at 10 percent!!

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Imagine Avid looking like that at 10 percent!!

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Thats the long term goal. Im hoping with the intense calorie deficit I am going to be on with the mast and tren, I will get down to 13% or so within the 12 weeks.

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Big boy for sure, but he needs to drop that fat to look like a freak

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^ True. Personally I wouldn't even run the mast yet. Drop bf% a good bit first. Won't notice the cosmetic affects of it until you drop the bf.
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Big boy for sure, but he needs to drop that fat to look like a freak

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Its coming off, that I guarantee. Next year this time I'm going to be looking like Rado and Bouncer.

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Even the smallest dose of clen I couldn't hang... they say the shakes go away in few days, but it ain't worth it to me...
I had no sides with DNP besides sweating my ass off... being summer it did not help, but you don't need that shit eithet

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79 I thought u had the iq of a rock and then here u r forming sentences and makin sence and shit, a lot of it???? Should have known when u called me sid.

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79 I thought u had the iq of a rock and then here u r forming sentences and makin sence and shit, a lot of it???? Should have known when u called me sid.

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Stfu turd. Your essays sounds like a down syndrome kid wrote them...so ETAH

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