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Old 06-04-16, 08:52 PM
Why Anadrol & Dbol Should Be Used Together
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The Strong Synergy Effect Of Anadrol & Dbol

By Gavin Kane

For many years, a great debate has raged over which oral is superior for mass gains, and two of them have stood the test of time; dianabol and anadrol. The debate has continued, arguing which of the two is superior, yet no conclusive evidence has proven one better than the other. People respond to each one differently, some swearing by dbol and some swearing by anadrol. Before we declare one the winner, I am going to go over a bit of history and chemical structure on both products.

Anadrol (oxymetholone) was first made available in the 1960ís by Syntex. It is very effective at increasing red blood cell production and was promising for treating severe cases of anemia. With the advent of newer and more advanced drugs such as Erythropoietin, which have less androgenic side effects, Anadrol was discontinued. New studies in AIDS/HIV patients revealed Anadrol was particularly effective at reducing wasting symptoms so it was re-released in the late 1990ís.

Oxymetholone is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, which in theory means it should not convert to estrogen. Since it does not aromatize but still causes gynecomastia in some users, there are other pathways by which it converts. After looking at studies on AIDS patients, I found that it may convert by actively activating the estrogen receptor, so this is a product that would need an anti-estrogen such as Nolvadex .

Dianabol (methandrostenolone ) was first made in 1956 by John Zieglar of Ciba fame. Dianabol has been one of the most popular oral steroids of all time, exploding in popularity in the 1970ís with bodybuilders and football players and expanding into all avenues of athletics during the 1980ís. It somewhat waned during the 1990ís with the steroid control act, but was hot again in the early 2000ís with reproduction in mass quantities by Mexican labs and underground labs.
Methandrostenolone is a derivative of testosterone and hence will convert to estrogen. Gyno will be a concern for sure, in almost all users, whereas only less than 25% have problems with Anadrol. Again water retention will be a problem, usually due to the estrogenic properties.

Both products will have similar androgenic side effects, which include; acne, water retention, oily skin, male pattern baldness, and increased body hair growth. Both drugs are c17 alpha alkylated, therefore liver protection will be necessary, especially when combining the two.

So we come to the premise of this article, Anadrol vs. Dianabol. Why, the great debate over which product to take? They work on different pathways, have similar side effects you will have to combat, and both are liver toxic. So why is there a debate over which is better and which one should you take? Well, as I stated earlier, different people have different responses to each product. Many people, including myself, find high doses of Anadrol to be too much to handle in trade of the results you get. With this product, I have an extreme loss of appetite, massive water retention, and overall aches and pains and headaches.

On the other hand, when I take Dianabol, I get a general sense of well-being, good but not great size gains, and the ability to keep eating. It sounds like I should keep taking Dianabol and drop the Anadrol, right? Wrong. I get massive male pattern baldness from Dianabol, which I do not experience from Anadrol. I have an increase in blood pressure levels at doses that are high enough to match my gains from Anadrol, and I have to shorten my cycles because of the massive dosages I take to get good gains. So in all, I get some side effects from each that I would like to avoid, while still retaining the great benefits that I can only get from each product.

Anadrol is well known for its ability to cause massive size and strength increases, and as we all know, a stronger muscle has to become a bigger muscle with enough calories to feed it. Dianabol gives me large, quality muscle gains without as much water retention as Anadrol. So what is the compromise? Do I take one during one cycle and then the other product during my next cycle?

The answer is no to both. There is no need to short change yourself gains in either department when you can have your cake and eat it too. I am not alone in my assessments of both products. Most guys have similar issues of massive water retention, headaches and loss of appetite with Anadrol, and MPB and fewer gains with Dianabol comparatively. So, the best thing we can do is decrease our dosages of both products to cut down on side-effects and take them at the same time to increase the benefits.

My recommendation is to take both products in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. Dianabol has been found to work much better for quality gains when taken in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. High doses have severe side effects in some users, a loss of all gains with cessation of the product because of the short cycle (4-6 weeks) and most of the aforementioned side-effects.

Your dosages will be cycle history dependent but when I was at the peak of my career, I was taking cycles of 200mg Dianabol for 6 weeks per cycle, or 250-300mg Anadrol per 6 week cycle. In later cycles when I decided to combine the two products together, I was able to drop my Dianabol use to 50mg per day, and my Anadrol use to 100mg per day and because of the synergistic effect of the two products combined, the effect was similar to high doses of each but with none of the sides. There is something very synergistic when taking these two products together with just a simple cycle of testosterone and deca -durabolin .

I would run my Anadrol cycles for 8 weeks at that dose and my Dianabol cycles for 10 weeks at that low dose with no liver toxic effects as proven by my quarterly blood tests. I did not have to take liver protectants, but I recommend them for most users. I no longer had to watch my blood pressure, my water retention was minimal compared to earlier cycles, and I was able to continue eating massive amounts of food because I did not experience appetite loss from a massive dose of Anadrol.

I highly recommend on your next bulking cycle you try the following: A base cycle of test and deca, add in the Anadrol and Dianabol mix, and some Nolvadex. You will be able to control your water retention, liver toxicity, and other side effects by controlling your dosages. Your doses will vary from mine, but just adjust accordingly and run them for longer periods of time. You will be amazed at the simplicity of this cycle and yet the synergy is un-describable. Your gains will be far better than you have ever had when taking each product alone, your side effects will be less than if you were to take either product in higher doses, thanks to the different biochemical pathways. Everyone already knows that test and anadrol, and deca and dbol are very synergistic. Now combine all four in a cycle and watch yourself just blow up.


NOTE: This article was written by a highly respected member over at professional muscle that goes by the handle "almost pro". He was a top amateur competitor and knows his shit, but all you newbs and even mid-level guys need to realize that those doses should not pertain to everyone, the doses listed in the article above are EXTREMELY high and should not be messed with by probably 99% of this board. Keep it moderate, the whole point of the article is the synergistic effects of these two VERY POWERFUL orals. Not the doses....
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Old 06-04-16, 10:22 PM
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Nov adex will not deal with the sides from that shit
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Nov adex will not deal with the sides from that shit
Agree with nolv but why not adex?

By keeping my estro in check with adex I've kept all sides away from test/deca/dbol.

The idea being that progesterone sides only happen when in the company of estrogen.

Also, have you ever specifically run both? This guys theory says that normal sides from dbol or anadrol are cancelled out by combining the 2.

Either way, I'm gonna give it a try @ 25mgs of each with my test and deca.

If sides start I simply drop the adrol no biggie.
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Old 06-05-16, 08:41 PM
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Through my years of cycling I have always loved the two oral compounds of Dianabol and Anadrol… They have always been my favorite kickstarts for cycles, but more so Dbol in the past several years… I just recently found myself caught in the Pepsi and Coke challenge lately with both and began to research the compounds more thoroughly as individuals…. The more I studied the more I understood that contrary that these compounds are very much different in ratios and even the pathways they travel and even the side effects differ as well….Just bear with me and I will tie this all together because I need you to see the brief profiles below I found to help u guys understand just how different they are side by side

“Anadrol 50 is considered by many to be the most powerful steroid available, with results of this compound being extremely dramatic. A steroid novice experimenting with oxymetholone is likely to gain 20 to 30 pounds of massive bulk, and it can often be accomplished in less than 6 weeks, with only 50-100mg a day. This steroid produces a lot of trouble with water retention, so let there be little doubt that much of this gain is simply bloat. “

“It is important to note however, that this drug does not directly convert to estrogen in the body. Oxymetholone is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, which gives it a structure that cannot be aromatized. As such, many have speculated as to what makes this hormone so troublesome in terms of estrogenic side effects. Some have suggested that it has progestational activity, similar to nandrolone, and is not actually estrogenic at all. Since the obvious side effects of both estrogens and progestins are very similar, this explanation might be a plausible one. However we do find medical studies looking at this possibility. One such tested the progestational activity of various steroids including nandrolone, norethandrolone, methandrostenolone, testosterone and oxymetholone. It reported no significant progestational effect inherent in oxymetholone or methandrostenolone, slight activity with testosterone and strong progestational effect inherent in nandrolone and norethandrolone. With such findings it starts to seem much more likely that oxymetholone can intrinsically activate the estrogen receptor itself, similar to but more profoundly than the estrogenic androgen methAndriol.”

“ If this is the case we can only combat the estrogenic side effects of oxymetholone with estrogen receptor antagonists such as Nolvadex or Clomid, and not with an aromatase inhibitor. The strong anti-aromatase compounds such as Arimidex, Femara, or Aromasin would prove to be totally useless with this steroid, as aromatase is not involved. The Androgenic/ Anabolic Ratio: 45:320….so keep that in mind for Drol”

Look at the difference in Dbol when compared to Drol in conversion….

“Similar to testosterone and Anadrol 50, Dianabol is a potent steroid, but also one which brings about noticeable side effects. For starters methandrostenolone is quite estrogenic. Gynecomastia is often a concern during treatment, and may present itself quite early into a cycle (particularly when higher doses are used). At the same time water retention can become a pronounced problem, causing a notable loss of muscle definition as both subcutaneous water and fat build. Sensitive individuals may therefore want to keep the estrogen under control with the addition of an anti-estrogen such as Nolvadex and/or Proviron. The stronger drugs Arimidex, Femara, or Aromasin (antiaromatase) would be a better choice if available.”

“In addition, androgenic side effects are common with this substance, and may include bouts of oily skin, acne and body/facial hair growth. Aggression may also be increased with a potent steroid such as this, so it would be wise not to let your disposition change for the worse during a cycle. With Dianabol there is also the possibility of aggravating a male pattern baldness condition. Sensitive individuals may therefore wish to avoid this drug and opt for a milder anabolic such as Deca-Durabolin. While Dianabol does convert to a more potent steroid via interaction with the 5-alpha reductase anzyme (the same enzyme responsible for converting testosterone to dihydrotestosterone), it has extremely little affinity to do so in the human body’s. Dianabol is much more estrogenic not because it is more easily aromatized, as in fact the 17 alpha methyl group and c1-2 double bond both slow the process of aromatization. The problem is that methandrostenolone converts to l7alpha methylestradiol, a more biologically active form of estrogen than regular estradiol. The Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio (Range): 90-210:40-60”

…So u can see the difference when compared to Drol

Now there is one common side they both possess equally is liver toxicity in high does for long periods of time….that’s no secret at all…. So which is really better for you to achieve mass? I asked the same and I came up with the answer both….You tell me that if you take 100mg of Anadrol everyday alone that there is any different than taking 100mg of Dianabol in terms of your liver? There’s not because they are both methylated and liver toxic but I can tell you the sides are different….But what if I told you that you could have the best of both worlds….Skeptical? YES!! So was I but we live in a world where the only clinical studies for the mad scientist inside me is the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde self experiment and that’s exactly what I did for 4 weeks and I had the best oral combo ride ever… Contrary to popular belief and urban legend these compounds together worked like a dream…. And best of all offset the other’s sides!!!

I started 50mg Dbol and 50mg Drol everyday totaling 100mg orally for four weeks and I had some of the best work outs and pumps than ever before….I realized that the compounds travelling two different pathways gave then synergism but more potency at lower mgs of each one… Like a “double whammy” but in a good way

Using Drol alone I find that my appetite was huge and always hungry, but I was always lethargic and when I would use Dbol I would lose my appetite and feel like superman…. So when I combined them they seem to offset the others negative because I ate with a good appetite and had wicked pumps which are expected with both but the best part was I felt great and had energy….The strength went up and of course I’m in my bulker so the weight came just as promised by the compounds and water retention from them….

Now at the end of my 4 weeks I went to my physician and got my bloods and to my amazement my liver and lipids were in normal limits, except my HDL was low but I expected that because I continually TRT… Now keep in mind I used N-acethyl-choline and milkthistle for liver supps together and I use niacin, krill oil, and aspirin for my lipids so I’m proof that supplementation works with that too…

I encourage you to try this combination for yourself and see if you have the effect I did…BTW I had two other guys that ran this with me and the reports came back positive so it’s got potential….At this point I will be using this combo again my next cycle that requires such kickers…I hoped I helped some of you guys and struck some curiosity for you to try yourself…Good luck in your adventure
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I suggest running aromasin over adex just for the simple fact that aromasin is a suicide inhibitor and doesn't have a rebound effect like adex.

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Hello sir, great information you provided. My question to you is, when you mixed the two orals did you take them all at once as in pre workout? or did you take the first dose of DBOL or DROL earlier in the day and the other later in the day?
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Old 05-08-19, 11:21 AM
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Hello sir, great information you provided. My question to you is, when you mixed the two orals did you take them all at once as in pre workout? or did you take the first dose of DBOL or DROL earlier in the day and the other later in the day?
timing of day doesn't matter much in terms of gains. you don't need to get so technical bro. you'll gain the same regardless of the time of day you take it.

all that said. be very careful. this is not good health wise. those 2 drugs are absolutely brutal on your liver. be safe.
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Old 05-09-19, 10:04 AM
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I did this once, mixing dbol/anadrol and I had to stop. I was pooping grease.

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Old 05-09-19, 10:38 AM
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I did this once, mixing dbol/anadrol and I had to stop. I was pooping grease.

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yea i felt like garbage as well. real strong in gym and then weak as fuck the rest of the day. was an effort to do anything. it really isn't a good idea. i know the article encourages it but it's just not a good idea.
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