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Old 04-24-15, 01:47 PM
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In grad school I learned of a concept, that most people have self perceptions of their own body, intelligence, personality and other characteristics that are inflated. I told myself, I do not fall into this population, I look at myself objectively and have a good grasp of my attributes and detriments. It turns out, based on peoples comments, while I knew I was out of shape; I am further out of shape than I thought. I keep getting the same comments from multiple people, that I am too fat to conciser steroid supplementation for weight loss. I should concentrate on my diet. Well I have been working on my diet and I have decided to post a thread of my profile each month on the 22nd.

I am enjoying this forum because everyone is more knowledgeable than me and I am learning a lot. So, since my self perception seems to be off, can you all let me know when I should be able to efficiently use Mast e and Anavar for weight loss, also, I used the term cutting in my previous threads, I am assuming that is the same as weight loss, because that is my goal?
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Old 04-24-15, 02:36 PM
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You have a long way to go with diet and cardio alone bro. Steroids don't burn fat like you think they do. Get more strict with your diet.
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It is very hard to not lose muscle when you lose weight in general, so "cutting" is basically trying to maximize the percentage of the weight you lose be fat.

Keeping track of progress is very useful. Also, think long term - 6-9 months is what we are talking about. You may not see differences in the mirror week to week, but use the scale also as a guide.
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Old 04-24-15, 02:51 PM
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Haha, yeah... it seems I was in denial with how out of shape I got. I'll post some pics of me from several years ago so you can see what I did to myself.
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Old 04-24-15, 08:24 PM
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You'll get there bro. Stay positive and keep at it. Consistency is key. Pre make your meals if you need to, it makes it much easier. Lots of cardio and some lifting and don't fall of the wagon.
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Old 04-25-15, 10:03 AM
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You have fat to lose....it's essentially called "weight"...but you have a good amount of fat on you....but you need to diet and just don't even think about steroids for a while. You'll do the opposite though.

It's great that you're being real with yourself, well sort of....if you want to be real with yourself, diet and cardio...leave the drugs.
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Old 04-25-15, 10:04 AM
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Old 04-25-15, 11:31 AM
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Like I said before, I think I was in denial. I was thinking I would be good to go on my first cycle in mid summer but it is sounding like to get the most benefit from using I will need to hit either a weight loss or muscle gain plateau; both of which I have not hit because I am loosing weight progressively with diet and exercise. I think I am just looking for a way to hack my body to doing what I want it to do faster.

Not putting full blame to external factors, I am ultimately responsible for what I shove down my throat hole but for a while I had pretty bad depression, anxiety and a couple other problems. I just did not care about myself for around 5 years, but now I finally received help and am on some medication that has increased my mood and outlook on life and I want to get healthy again, fast. I was thinking that using would enable me to keep my muscle mass while I increase my caloric restriction even more than it is, I am currently running a 500 calorie per day restriction. One of my buddies mentioned the other day that I do not want to loose too much body fat too quickly because it will cause loose skin, so that is another thing for me to conciser.

I have included 2 pics of me around 5-6 years ago before I stopped caring what I ate, this is what I am aiming for.
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Old 04-25-15, 02:01 PM
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Stick with that cycle, trust the process
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Old 04-25-15, 03:40 PM
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Stick with that cycle, trust the process
I say stick with a diet and training before anabolics......period. Guy has no business taking them to drop BF or to be lean....this can be done with proper food and fucking cardio simple logic yet so fucking hard for most to grasp.

If he were leaner or had a more muscular build, I'd still say the same but perhaps just incorporate some test. Build the foundation, then add the rest later....
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Old 04-25-15, 03:50 PM
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There's too much deliberation going on here.

The guy will do the juice anyways, just needs to get on and train hard.
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Old 04-26-15, 09:33 AM
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I have plenty of muscle mass, it is just that the fat hides the definition and you cannot see my size well through photographs; my arms are close to 20 inches and I am in the 1200 lbs club, which is not amazing but I am happy with it.

I am wanting to get on a cycle and I think about getting on often, most of my friends are on cycles throughout the year, but they are ripped and I am not. Every time I think I know how I should proceed, I read more or someone says something and I look into it further and realize I want to go a different route. I have thought about buying now and keeping all the gear on hand for when I am ready, but with how much I change my mind I think I should wait until I am confident in the cycle for more than a couple days. Also, most people on this forum are saying not to yet and honestly I do not think I know enough at the moment, hence all my questions. The only thing I have on hand right now is Test E and that has a long shelf life so I can wait.

I did some research on overweight people taking steroids and one thing that concerns me is that I already have bitch tits and the more fat you have the more estrogen is converted while on cycle, so I will probably have to take a massive amount of AI to combat the estrogen. That is why I am interested in doing Mast P and Anavar when I have dropped some more bf because they do not cause a conversion to estrogen and I will only have to compensate with an AI for the Test I am taking.

One thing I have been thinking about lately is getting on some peptides and a ancillary, CJC 1295 and Ipamorelin and maybe a slight dose of armidex, because I am naturally producing more estrogen since I have high bf. I have been doing some reading on peptides and I am not seeing too many people against overweight people using them, and there seems to be few side effects. Even if it does not work I might have a psychosomatic effect and think its working therefore increasing my motivation. A am worried that I will loose my gains with my increase cardio and I am wanting to bump up my caloric deficit to around 700 calories a day from 500 calories a day. So I am hoping the peptides will help my keep my lean muscle while I drop bf.

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Old 04-26-15, 02:21 PM
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If I were you bro I'd actually get on a low dose AI like adex at .25mgs every other day. You may be surprised to see how much it helps leans you out especially if estro levels are high. Might even take care of your gyno.
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Old 04-26-15, 03:17 PM
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I'm thinking the same as you Bouncer, you think adex would be better than armidex.
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Old 04-26-15, 03:28 PM
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Adex is arimidex bro. Shorthand for the same thing
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Old 04-26-15, 05:42 PM
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Yea same thing bro. Get it here. http://www.rui-products.com/liquidex-30ml-1mg-ml.html
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Old 04-27-15, 06:17 AM
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Old 04-27-15, 06:42 AM
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Isn't gyno different from just holding a lot of bf? I'm sure once he leans out his chest will look fine.
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Old 04-27-15, 09:35 AM
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Isn't gyno different from just holding a lot of bf? I'm sure once he leans out his chest will look fine.


Most think that being fat or holding water is a sign of excess estro or better yet, having gyno.
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Old 04-27-15, 09:47 AM
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Even when I was thin I had a disproportionate amount of fat on my chest so I'm willing to give it a try. I'm not worried about getting any negative reaction with .25mg/day.

I did a Google search for adex fat loss and a lot of people have posted about it, "Fat in your chest and love handles would suggest high estrogen levels. So taking adex and reducing the estrogen would help reduce fat in these areas." I'll keep dieting and start taking adex every day and I'll put some pictures up May 22 to see if there is any noticeable differences.
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Old 04-27-15, 11:52 AM
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What does your diet currently look like?
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Old 04-27-15, 12:13 PM
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It was a lot of junk until 2 months ago but for the past 2 months it has been pretty good, you can see an example under the Nutrition section: Pointers?. I have cut down on the number of protein shakes compared to that in the example. Now the only protein shakes I have are a whey shake pre-workout and post-workout Monday/Wednesday/Friday and then a casein shake before bed every night. I have been on Weight Watchers so I always me sure I am within my allotted points. I take in no liquid calories other than the shakes, no fast food and very limited processed food.
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Old 04-27-15, 01:03 PM
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Old 04-27-15, 02:51 PM
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Old 04-28-15, 09:41 AM
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But even though I am 290, in the past when I weighed 265, in the second set of photos, I looked and felt great. A lot of my weight is muscle mass. I have switched to lighter weight higher reps but a couple months ago I hit the 1200 lbs club. So if I get down to 270 again I will be pretty happy with myself.
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Old 05-07-15, 02:38 PM
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Get yourself on a regimented diet and training program. THis way you can set your calories and macros to the type of day it is. Higher carbs on training days, lower carbs on non training/conditioning days. Not sure what your ultimate end goal is but you need to decide on it and start somewhere. I would think if you are going to run Adex, do it EOD to start once you have yourself on a good meal plan. Forget the higher reps lighter weight stuff, that will not build muscle like you think. I would stick with heavy basics with a few auxiliary moves and skip the steady state cardio and go with more conditioning work.....sled drags/pulls, 500m sprints on two machine, 5 x 10 on light squats, cleans, man makers, tire flips, loading relays, etc. That is what will get the heart rate up and you can be done with conditioning in 15 mintues vs 45 minutes of steady state cardio, plus you are still doing resistance exercises, build more muscle! Just some thoughts to try, but pretty sure it will get you to where you want to be. Muscles burns calories when you are sedentary, what builds muscle best, but good hard compound movements....get to it, stick to it and you will get your results. Good Luck!
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Old 05-08-15, 08:14 AM
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Get yourself on a regimented diet and training program. THis way you can set your calories and macros to the type of day it is. Higher carbs on training days, lower carbs on non training/conditioning days. Not sure what your ultimate end goal is but you need to decide on it and start somewhere. I would think if you are going to run Adex, do it EOD to start once you have yourself on a good meal plan. Forget the higher reps lighter weight stuff, that will not build muscle like you think. I would stick with heavy basics with a few auxiliary moves and skip the steady state cardio and go with more conditioning work.....sled drags/pulls, 500m sprints on two machine, 5 x 10 on light squats, cleans, man makers, tire flips, loading relays, etc. That is what will get the heart rate up and you can be done with conditioning in 15 mintues vs 45 minutes of steady state cardio, plus you are still doing resistance exercises, build more muscle! Just some thoughts to try, but pretty sure it will get you to where you want to be. Muscles burns calories when you are sedentary, what builds muscle best, but good hard compound movements....get to it, stick to it and you will get your results. Good Luck!
That should have said ROW machine, not TWO machine...sorry!
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I was actually starting to change my diet to low carbs on non training days. So, you think it makes a bigger difference than the same number of macros every day?

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I know I see a difference, I up my protein and fats on non training days.
This is how I make weight a month out for a strongman or PL contest. without having to go on a crazy ass cutting diet to get to my weight class.
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Month 1 complete, somewhere between 24 and 27 percent body fat, depending if I use tape or calipers. 3 rep max: squat=445, deads=415, bench 315.
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Month 1 complete, somewhere between 24 and 27 percent body fat, depending if I use tape or calipers. 3 rep max: squat=445, deads=415, bench 315.
Props man!!!!! You do have about 20lbs of hair on ya, just sayin


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Old 05-23-15, 08:43 AM
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That's how a lot of girls like it here out in the boonies.
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That's how a lot of girls like it here out in the boonies.
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Old 07-02-15, 08:33 AM
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I am down to 277 lbs but I cannot tell much of a difference in the photos so I will wait until July 22 to post new pictures.
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Funny how that works isn't it? I'm up 15 pounds and can't tell a difference in any photos either. Looking in the mirror looks different but it just doesn't translate to photography for some reason. Some guys a 5 pound difference can be seen.

I guess it depends where the weight is distributed. If you've gained or lost 15 pounds over your whole body and it is over every section your probably only talking a quarter inch difference around every body part. If you lost 5 pounds but it was only in your midsection it would be more noticeable.
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Old 07-03-15, 12:34 PM
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If I put the pictures side by side I noticed I can see a difference. The left are from July 3, 2015 the right April 22, 2015
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If I put the pictures side by side I noticed I can see a difference. The left are from July 3, 2015 the right April 22, 2015
good job brother. i def see progress.
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Yea great job man, keep it up! Threads like this one is what makes this board different than most; we do have members from different backgrounds and different goals. Not afraid to post and accept good constructive criticism. No seriously I mean that man, good job. I have mad respect for those who make goals and execute them.
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Old 07-06-15, 09:37 AM
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Old 07-30-15, 08:39 AM
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[ATTACH]Creek Kayaking.jpg[/ATTACH]I checked my myfitnesspal reports and its slow going but I am making steady improvements on my diet. I am trying to stay around 500 calories under maintenance but my caloric consumption fluctuates between maintenance and my goal. I have not gone over maintenance since July 15th though, which is good for me.
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Kayaking, hiking, and biking on my recumbent bike. I try to lift 5 to 6 days a week and do cardio at least 3. I want to do more cardio but I have trouble finding the time. I do 10 minutes of warmup cardio before I lift, typically on an elliptical.
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You should try to mix it up and throw in some HIIT training. Good alternative to get the metabolism burning.

http://www.cutandjacked.com/HIIT-8-W...ng-Progression
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That is actually what I am trying to do for my weight lifting. I am following this HIIT routine:

6-Week Full-Body HIIT Workout | Muscle & Fitness

I am seeing a lot of people at the gym I am going to do HIIT plyometrics, sometime I might start it up but I have been thinking I should extend my warmup and I could include some HIIT sprints; run down one side of the track, walk the curve, run down the other.
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I don't like to over complicate my weight training. If I'm trying to mix it up with weights and add some intensity. I'll reduce weights and add in trisets and supersets.

You should definitely try the HIIT cardio. I think you would benefit greatly.
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The article says to only do the HIIT cardio 3 times a week. I have always been under the impression it was fine to do cardio every day, multiple times a day if one wanted? Do you see a reason I should not mix in some LISS cardio?
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Running on a treadmill at 3 mph for 30-45 minutes vs HIIT is apples and oranges bro. Too much high intensity and long duration cardio can be counter productive; catabolic.
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Still looks like you need to clean up the diet to me. Cardio is important but nothing is more important for body composition then diet.

Still holding a lot of fat in the midsection.

Man up when it comes to diet. When you get hungry at night so the fuck what? Deal with it and remain hungry until your morning meal.
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Having a clean diet is by far the hardest part of this for me but I am constantly getting better with it.

Ive started chewing gum or eating broccoli and hummus at night and like I mentioned in my other post I have started logging my calories I consume at night for the next day so I can make sure I keep under my maintenance.

I am going to start trying out the HIIT cardio. I did not bring my running shoes so I will have to try it out on the elliptical today.
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