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Old 11-06-11, 12:56 PM
Low dose Steroid cycles - Truth and myth
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If you've read some of my posts on other boards, you probably already have seen that I advocate suggesting low doses for beginners. Why jump into 600mg per week of test as a first or second cycle when it is highly likely you will get great gains using 200-300mg (in initial cycles)?

I keep seeing people write that 200mg of testosterone per week does nothing more than shut down a man's natural test production and bring him near "normal levels"--this is not quite correct (part of the statement is correct part of it is not). This incorrect statement has endured probably because someone wrote down thier idea/theory of what happens in the body, it sounded good, and other people repeated it. But, it is not correct. Yes, 200mg of a long lasting ester of testosterone will shut down natural test production, BUT the amount of 200mg of a long lasting ester of testosterone is more than twice the "normal levels" of test in the body of a healthy non-steroid using male. Therefore, 200mg of a long lasting ester of testosterone per week is far more than enough to grow on.

I was paranoid about side effects of testosterone on a normally functioning body, so I had my blood levels checked while on 200-250mg per week. The results of the tests indicated that the amount of testosterone in my blood was more than twice the high end of the normal range (The normal free testosterone range is 50.0-210.0 pg/ml*. My levels were found to be near 550 pg/ml). I also talked to my doctor and UPJOHN nurses a lot about using testosterone at these doses. Here's a brief bit of what I've learned from my doctor, the UPJOHN nursing staff (UPJOHN was the original manufacturer of Depo-testosterone a.k.a Testosterone Cypionate.  The rights of Depo-testosterone was sold to PFIZER which now produces it under the name PHARMACIA), and professional medical documents:

*--NOTE: pg/ml is the correct unit notation.

Using a long acting ester testosterone (CYP and ENAN) does not mimic the normally functioning male body's circadian rhythm (daily rise and fall of testosterone). Testosterone, in a normally functioning body, does not explode up to high levels then gradually fall over a 1-2 week period as it does when injecting a testosterone such as CYP or ENAN. On the contrary, the body produces a small amount each day which is far below 200mg (It's around 10mg). That small amount is concentrated at the beginning of the day and then falls low by the end of the day. This process repeats itself every day and by the end of two weeks, a normally functioning body produces approximately 140mg of testosterone (appx. 70mg per week).

The use of long acting esters are in theory supposed to slowly release the testosterone over a two week period, but this is not quite what happens. To keep it simple, the delay of the esters actually allows large amounts of testosterone to build up--especially if you are taking 200mg every week as opposed to once every two weeks (biweekly) which is what the dose is supposed to be. (I'm simplifying here). Remember the "normally functioning" male produces only (appx.) 70mg per week (=140mg per two weeks). The dose doctors are recommended to perscribe is 200mg every 2 weeks (biweekly), but they tend to give 200mg every week.

So, it is fallacious reasoning to compare the TOTAL amount of testosterone produced in daily spurts in a normally functioning body over a 2 week period to the same amount of testosterone injected in one shot at the beginning of a week and reshot every week (before the previous week's dose is used up). The latter case (injections once per week) results in an overlap and build up of dose which causes the levels of testosterone to be HIGHER than normal. (Remember the shots should actually be 200mg every TWO weeks--not every week). These excess levels of testosterone are sufficient to build lean body mass faster than the "normally functioning" male.

In other words: addding up what the average male body produces per week then comparing that to the amount that is shot every week is like comparing apples to oranges. There is a whole diferent set of advantageous reactions happening in the body when it is given a full
2-week load (200mg) at the beginning of a week as opposed to getting naturally occuring, small, daily spurts of appx 10mg over the same period of time (2 weeks).

This is why a low dose cycle can yeild REASONABLE gains. Understand, I'm not talking mega-huge-fast gains. I'm talking noticably-faster-than-normal gains, which when coupled with a strict diet, sufficient rest and an excellent bodybuilding work ethic, can yeild large, solid gains (especially early in a person's cycle experience).

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Old 11-06-11, 03:55 PM
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500 mg per week was perfect for me
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Old 11-07-11, 07:48 AM
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Looking to run 250mg of test every 5 days coming up soon. Will be my first cycle in 4 years. The lowest dose I ran before was 500mg a week. I'm anxious to see how I respond to it.
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Looking to run 250mg of test every 5 days coming up soon. Will be my first cycle in 4 years. The lowest dose I ran before was 500mg a week. I'm anxious to see how I respond to it.
First cycle in 4 years, you will respond nicely. Leaner you are, the more you will notice. To much fat I feel kills the effect.
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I'm very lean right now. Wouldn't care if I added just a little extra bodyfat during this cycle. Looking forward to it.
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As you know, drugs aas don't add fat. Diet does. If you eat clean you will stay tight, effect will be that your muscles slowly take on a fuller more round look. Nothing better then being lean a full. Lean and flat or fat and full both look like garbage. Lean and full is the best look in the world.
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Old 11-07-11, 06:16 PM
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Add some tren
my last run with Tren wasnt all that impressive. i feel bigger and fuller with just the T400
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Old 11-07-11, 06:27 PM
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Jack not talking shit but you sure it was real? Tren gives me to many sides but fuck did I blow up and cut up at same time.
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Old 05-11-12, 05:55 PM
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great post... this is so true .. my first 2 times on aas i ran test only @ 200mgs/ week... everyone told me i was "wasting" the stuff and ill never see results and that my natty test would just shut down and id get no gains, as you say bouncer my diet was on and i made sure i got rest and took naps to grow.. i looked better than my friend was was taking close to a gram/week .. he just had bloat and lost almost all of it after.. id say he wasted the stuff, not me ..

Even now im not running a lot of test but im stacking and this week is week 4 and it seems every day im changing more and more..


On a side note, i only ran tren once...and that shit made me GROW.. i got so hard and so lean but my body seemed to just be TOO hot all the time.. bp was good but that stuff got me shredded.. shut me down so hard too which i didnt like.. i cut it early.. i was using the short ester, anyone know if its better with the long? some people had suggested if i did the long it was be less with the sides.. also, if you didnt see results from tren.. something was wrong.. thats the first ive ever heard that
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im starting this on Friday. 200mgs a week. 1 shot every Saturday.

Will be interested to see the results over 12-16 weeks
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my last run with Tren wasnt all that impressive. i feel bigger and fuller with just the T400
i been away for a good long time but does that shit still hurt like a MOFO ? like 100 times worse than prop?
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Hello

Great Forum.

Have some Question about the Lose Dose Cycle.

I have been training for 8 years Natural. I want to do for the first time a Cylce 1 or 2 x in a year.

Have I understood correctly :

200ml every two weeks at a time. Right?

No drop off ? Right?

What a time length do you recommend: 8 weeks = 4x times 200ml.

I can currently access Testo Depo that's good?

Am glad for support.

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I would be happy for a support.:thankyou:

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200ml every 2 weeks!?! You are confused my friend.
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How is the Articel to be understood?

What you have to do exactly ?

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How is the Articel to be understood?

What you have to do exactly ?

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You need to put some effort into reading what gets posted
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Old 12-31-14, 09:57 AM
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I see it now :thankyou:

-250ml tesosteron every week

Question to inject :

do you divide the dose or inject the 250 ml at a time?
I know I have no idea, but want the advice of pros.

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250ml per week is very low dose. dont split that low of a dose. take it all at once. i would suggest at the very minimum 250mgs every 5 days instead.
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Bouncer thanks.

I will start in 1 months, and will take it for 8 weeks.

I will write a report, how it works and so on.

Question: must i have fear of gyno, and need i post cycle therapy?

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doubtful gyno will be an issue at such low dose.

post cycle threapy is always a good idea but with such a low dose i really believe this cycle is not worth it. i suggest you get more.
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Aha , sounds good.

Bouncer i will try it. And the second cycle will be higher.

Will be a gold experienc.

I will search the best quality about Testosteron.

I Wish you a gold Start in New yeahr.

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doubtful gyno will be an issue at such low dose.

post cycle threapy is always a good idea but with such a low dose i really believe this cycle is not worth it. i suggest you get more.

I get signs of gyno if no anti e's are taken at 300mg e5d. So there is a chance you could get gyno from that does.

Why are you only running it for 8 weeks. At that low of a dose I would recommend 12 weeks minimum.
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New user here. I am a middle age dude and have been plagued by injuries for years. Can a 200mg dose on a two week interval, as the op describes, for a period of time (?), help me get past injuries and build enough ligament strength to keep training (cardio and weight training)? Assume good diet and lots of sleep. I train with too much intensity and was hoping to just brute force my way through that.

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New user here. I am a middle age dude and have been plagued by injuries for years. Can a 200mg dose on a two week interval (as the op describes) for a period of time (?) help me get past injuries and build enough ligament strength to keep training (cardio and weight training)? Assume good diet and lots of sleep. I train with too much intensity and was hoping to just brute force my way through that.
I don't think a low dose cycle would hurt by any means but if it is injures you are trying to take care of you are better off with something like the peptide tb-500 or if you can afford it GH. Also give the injuries time to heal by training around them not through them.
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No doubt this does work. I ran 200 ml every 5 days with a good diet weights 5 day a week for an hour a session plus core and cardio training. In 70 days I have totally changed how I look and feel. It was my first run with aas.A low dose cycle is a great way to start.
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No doubt this does work. I ran 200 ml every 5 days with a good diet weights 5 day a week for an hour a session plus core and cardio training. In 70 days I have totally changed how I look and feel. It was my first run with aas.A low dose cycle is a great way to start.
now your addicted.

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