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Old 08-13-16, 10:36 AM
100mg Dbol Cycle Goes Wrong
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100mg Dbol Cycle Goes Wrong

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The bodybuilder in the Australians' report was 35 years old and weighed 120 kg. He went to a doctor complaining of stomach ache, pain in his limbs, hepatitis and a body temperature of 39 degrees Celsius. His liver was enlarged.



The man said he had been preparing for a competition and had started a cycle of anabolic steroids six weeks before. He had been taking 100 mg methandrostenolone daily. The bodybuilder used Body Research's Danabol, which he had bought from a Thai web store.

He combined this with testosterone propionate and testosterone enanthate, which he injected twice a week in unknown quantities. The researchers did not find out which testosterone preparations the man used, but did know that they were meant for veterinary use.

Two weeks previously he had also started to use 20 mg tamoxifen and 2.5 mg letrozole daily, as well as 80 mg furosemide and 50 mg spironolactone. The first two substances are anti-oestrogens and the other two are diuretics.

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The researchers detected a raised testosterone level in the man's blood, but could not detect LH. His testicles had shrunk, which is an indication of synthetic androgen use.

His blood also contained high levels of the liver enzymes AST [concentration should be lower than 45 IU/l], ALT [should be lower than 47 IU/l] and GGT [should be lower than 43 IU/l]. These high concentrations all point to liver damage.

The doctors put the man on a fluid drip as he was showing signs of dehydration. In addition they took him off the substances he'd been taking immediately. Within a few days the man's liver function started to return to normal and his fever went down.

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The researchers found an unexpectedly high concentration of the inflammatory protein CRP in the bodybuilder's blood [172 mg/l, whereas the figure should be under 10]. The researchers suspect that the damaged liver had synthesised that protein and that the CRP had then caused the man's temperature to rise.

The high dose of methandrostenolone that the bodybuilder used is probably what caused the crisis. Methandrostenolone contains a 17-alpha-methyl group, which makes anabolic steroids suitable for oral use, but which also makes them toxic for the liver.

What happened in the end to the bodybuilder the researchers do not know. They discharged him from hospital after 7 days, but after that the man did not return for any check ups.

Conclusion

"Although cases of severe hepatitis have been reported in patients taking methandrostenolone, this is the first report of a patient with sufficiently severe hepatitis to induce a systemic inflammatory reaction that primarily manifested as high-grade fevers", the Australians write.

"The severity of the hepatic necrosis may have been itself related to fever development. This draws attention to the potentially toxic effects of synthetic androgens alone or in combination with multiple drugs as part of the risk-taking behavior amongst some body builders."
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Old 08-13-16, 11:19 AM
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100mg of dbol a day and with no liver support on top. Fool. Lucky he isn't dead.
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100mg of dbol a day and with no liver support on top. Fool. Lucky he isn't dead.
Liver support lol... Is there any actual scientific evidence that liver support supps do anything?

100mgs of dbol shouldn't have done what it did to that guy. Something else is at play here. Doesn't talk about what he was running the years prior etc..
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Liver support lol... Is there any actual scientific evidence that liver support supps do anything?

100mgs of dbol shouldn't have done what it did to that guy. Something else is at play here. Doesn't talk about what he was running the years prior etc..
Yes there are many on UDCA and TUDCA as well as NAC.
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Yes there are many on UDCA and TUDCA as well as NAC.
And do they actually study their use in combination with a 17-aa drug?
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They reduce ALT ALP AST levels. Doesn't matter what causes the increase they will significantly reduce them.

Basically 17-aa causes Cholestatic Liver Disease and TUDCA will treat that. NAC is used for acute toxicity during acetaminophen overdoses. It is super cheap and easy to get.

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Will they reduce them WHILE your running a 17-aa? Has this been proven?

Or is it simply they help reduce enzymes after discontinuation of 17-aa much faster.
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In all the years I've been using PEDs and taking supps for liver protection, it's rubbish. I base this off my own blood work, has zero effectiveness.

Can they help to some degree? I'm sure it's minimal and with that said, those studies have never been done on a person taking PEDs.
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Rado have you ever taken TUDCA? There is guys with blood work on other boards showing it bringing levels in normal range when taken at 1g or more a day.
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Will they reduce them WHILE your running a 17-aa? Has this been proven?

Or is it simply they help reduce enzymes after discontinuation of 17-aa much faster.
It works while on. There are guys with bloods showing its effectiveness. As far as personal experience it took my piss from brown to clear. Generally feel a lot better as well. Thing is it has to be run at 1g minimum a day which becomes quite expensive.
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Rado have you ever taken TUDCA? There is guys with blood work on other boards showing it bringing levels in normal range when taken at 1g or more a day.
Wonder if it blocks the effectiveness of the 17-aa in question at all?
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That I don't know. Is possible I suppose.
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TUDCA seems like one that actually works. The others are suspect.
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He was taking Lasix for 2 weeks!!!
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Rado have you ever taken TUDCA? There is guys with blood work on other boards showing it bringing levels in normal range when taken at 1g or more a day.
No bro haven't. But if that's the case, then that's good news
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