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Old 04-06-16, 03:27 PM
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Today is the first day I'm pretty much pain free in the back!!

I did 30 mins intense cardio two days ago and yesterday my back got real stuff and had a different burning pain. Must have done something different but today it's let go and us better than ever before.

Except my left knee and shin are killing me, but I think that's just the switch in activity

Cardio is definitely a healer at this ppint as it uses all the small muscles that balance you in harmony.
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Glad to hear brother. Being down and out fucks with the mind.

I need a real alpha dog to chase after so get on it. How much you weigh?
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Old 04-06-16, 03:52 PM
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Lightweight now

My plan is now to build myself from the inside out in the following priority;

1) keep inflamation away and not agravate

2) stability/mobility
3) endurance/fitness
4) build strength strategically and carefully around main joints;abs, low back, hips, gluten and legs
5) physique building

I will be trying not to sacrifice any of the first 4 for 5.

It's pathetic that my knee and shin are hurting two days after cardio but the cardio was legs only elliptical without resting arms so all using the core to balance but with that, bikes and treadmill my hr was 150-170 for 30 mins so I'm improving my fitness you see also
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Good and smart attitude bro. Be better off for it.
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Well its past 1 am and I can't sleep because as soon as I lye down and presumably some blood and water leaves my lower leg my front shin muscle is agony
FFS only just got relief from. The back ha
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You know it's strange but I've had something like that happen before. Get relief from 1 thing and then something else pops up immediately. Had me wondering if all my issues were
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So my back is still ok so far but I couldn't sleep a wink because my leg was agony, if I sit up with legs on floor the pain goes but if I lye flat all the pain in knee and shin comes back.

Hopefully this shit is jumping around before it goes
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Watch "Lumbar Epidural Cortisone Injection - Back Pain Shot" on YouTube
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This is the procedure in quick time, I'm fucking excited as grim as it looks if it eventually takes the pain from my leg. No more fucking tablets
I get this done every 10 months or so. I think the steroid injection is the first step. The second step is wear they burn the nerve ending. It really helps! But the nerve eventually heals, that's way I have to go back every 10 months sometime it lasts a year.
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I get this done every 10 months or so. I think the steroid injection is the first step. The second step is wear they burn the nerve ending. It really helps! But the nerve eventually heals, that's way I have to go back every 10 months sometime it lasts a year.
Wow that's an interesting insight. Anyone that has back issues has a slightly different situation. I guess we are all born with slightly different backs. I think that where my prolapse occurred There has always probably been a tendency and it's occurred before but to a much lesser extent.

Thank you very much for contributing and sharing your experience because it really helps others including me.

When you train now is there a specific strategy that works for you and do you undertake preventative PT incorporated in your routine in any way.

I found this really helped me along, you have the freedom to do hip thrusts in different positions without gravity pushing down. I know I look shit I haven't trained per se in five months
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How long were you out of the gym? Just curious how much muscle you maintained.

Now that I cannot workout I'm keeping my diet extremely strict. I'm hoping having abs popping will help me mentally.
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Old 04-07-16, 11:39 AM
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About five months and even now I'm just doing cardio and mobility stuff a couple times a week. I've had the odd chest session here or there but nothing to really induce hypertrophy

It's all still there tbh just flat
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Do you find that you're more insecure not being at your best? I ask because that's how I feel whenever I'm not operating at 100%.
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No because I have a focus, getting better, it's more a case of having something to go after for me. As long as I feel like I'm achieving
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Old 04-08-16, 01:17 AM
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Gonna do HIT cardio again today but this time test the lower back mildly by using the rowing machine first before moving on to other cardio equipment.

The logic here is to gently engage the lower back and core and open up the blood flow over a sustained period down there.

With each gentle stroke it will stretch the vertebrea a little and close them in again. Very gentle but sustained.
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Old 04-08-16, 02:33 AM
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Mr I. Look into foundation training for your back pain.

https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightf...n_training_by/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BOTvaRaDjI
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Looks really good Moochie thank you for contributing
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Today is the first day I'm pretty much pain free in the back!!

I did 30 mins intense cardio two days ago and yesterday my back got real stuff and had a different burning pain. Must have done something different but today it's let go and us better than ever before.

Except my left knee and shin are killing me, but I think that's just the switch in activity

Cardio is definitely a healer at this ppint as it uses all the small muscles that balance you in harmony.
Holy crap! This could be paranoia but it may be just as well I'm way better and can lower the tramadol Could Tramadol cause Pain - shins (Shin splints) - eHealthMe.com
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Holy crap! This could be paranoia but it may be just as well I'm way better and can lower the tramadol Could Tramadol cause Pain - shins (Shin splints) - eHealthMe.com
Not sure if 0.01% is a cause for paranoia or concern.
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Old 04-11-16, 03:05 AM
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Not sure if 0.01% is a cause for paranoia or concern.
Thanks, I just found out shin splint and drop foot can be a further symptom of disk prolapse.

I guess where tge pain in the back subsided there are other symptoms becoming more evident.

It's a long road
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Old 04-11-16, 09:57 AM
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Mr I your saying the pain you were dealing with is gone but it has moved to a different spot? Or you still dealing with the other pain as well?
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Mr I your saying the pain you were dealing with is gone but it has moved to a different spot? Or you still dealing with the other pain as well?
The pain in my lower central back is virtually gone. But I am still on meds because I now have crazy night pains in my left shin.

I also have almost complete drop foot so I cannot engage dorsoflexion.

I basically can't walk properly I have to lift my left knee higher to counter tge fact.

Getting pains in left knee and foot too.

I'm actually laughing as I'm typing this because I don't know what the fuck is going on

The drop foot may be due to the shin splint caused by going too hard on the cardio too quick after a long while out. Or it could be nerve damage

I'm seeing the orthopedic surgeon in ten minutes and will probably request another cortisone just to see it off.

But the good thing us I'm in far far less pain generally it's almost normal.

Now they also found a tumor in my vertebrea but that shit can wait.

One thing at a time lol

I'm still very confident all will be ok in the end
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Old 04-11-16, 11:08 AM
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Sucks bro, just stay positive as hard as that may be sometimes. Feeling bad for yourself like many do gets us nowhere. Just know that it will get fixed at some point. Regardless of what needs to be done, it will get fixed.

One thing I will say is just be careful with some of the home remedy type things your doing. I have no idea but maybe there is some small chance that some kind of movement or stretch or inversion your doing could possibly be agitating the nerve. I have no idea one way or the other, just be careful.
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Old 04-11-16, 11:17 AM
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Yeah thanks

I don't invert anymore, I'm in less pain, a lot less pain. Hopefully the foot thing is just a temporary reaction to the cardio but they're sending me for a repeat MRI just to check.
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1) my back feels vastly improved in of itself and I simply feel like I want to be more active. Will mild pain meds I feel virtually no pain during the day and only need a bit if tramadol during the night.

2) I have drop foot left side and this is now seemingly the final hurdle. If an MRI reveals the drop foot is due to further nerve compression then I may after all need a micro diskectomy, if not they may give me another steroid cortisone inj and the drop foot may improve anyway

I feel so close to fully rehabbing but for the drop foot tha occurred three days ago. Coincidentally this only happened after two hard cardio sessions on a body that had been otherwise relatively sedentary for six months.

We push on but I now need to resume consistent but light training just for my morale
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Old 04-15-16, 01:29 PM
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So now all that really remains outstanding is this drop foot syndrome. I don't give up easy and love gadgets so to prevent atrophy of the muscle pending return of nerve function I've hooked up a tens electronic stimulus machine. Freaky twitching Watch "Tense dorso flex tiblia stimulate" on YouTube
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Old 04-15-16, 02:27 PM
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Think of Ronnie when your down.

I've used the shit before on my traps and back. Cant get the shit to go deep enough though. My spasms are fucken deep in the muscle and that machine only hits surface.
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Yeah I'm using it for the polar opposite of what you were. I have no muscle response in that shin muscle hardly so I'm pulsing it to keep the muscle there
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Wierd looking shit. I subscribed to your youtube channel bro.
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I'd watch Mr I doing a "better by the day" series. Fella cracks me up.

"Now listen fellas, you gotta get on this inversion chair and the key is while your doing it you gotta force feed on hawthorn berry and hemp oil half gallon."
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I'd watch Mr I doing a "better by the day" series. Fella cracks me up.

"Now listen fellas, you gotta get on this inversion chair and the key is while your doing it you gotta force feed on hawthorn berry and hemp oil half gallon."
He's just gotta sprinkle some "God dammit" and "right babe?" in there.
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I get this done every 10 months or so. I think the steroid injection is the first step. The second step is wear they burn the nerve ending. It really helps! But the nerve eventually heals, that's way I have to go back every 10 months sometime it lasts a year.
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Try this out. It may look like nothing but it's kind if like cutting through all that yoga stuff and getting to the good bit for your back Watch "Lower back workout, with Dr. Eric Goodman and Foundation Training" on YouTube
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I just tried it and feel much better
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Has your doctor ever brought up a procedure called a nucleoplasty?

I had L5/S1 issues and this fixed my sciatica. Not all specialists conduct this kind of procedure. It is relatively new. It did wonders for me though. Its extremely noninvasive outpatient procedure and i was on my feet the next day doing fine. look it up, not sure if it would help your specific situation...but it really changed my life.
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I see, that sounds clever I guess they just shove a big needle in and suck some juice out so the prolapse /bulge goes back in.

It wouldn't work so well on me at my age as the disk doesn't have much water retention in it anyway
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Aas question?

I've a strong suspicion that either the prolapse /bulge has got worse or a fragment has broken off. Either way a micro diskectomy will be required. MRI next week will help determined.

Q - they will have to bore through muscle to get to the disk. So will gh speed recovery after?
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Aas question?

I've a strong suspicion that either the prolapse /bulge has got worse or a fragment has broken off. Either way a micro diskectomy will be required. MRI next week will help determined.

Q - they will have to bore through muscle to get to the disk. So will gh speed recovery after?
It's worse now? Like compared to a few days ago?

I'd imagine gh would speed up any recovery.
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The foot drop is no worse it's the same but the more reading I do and the more case examples I see it looks like it may well need micro surgery. Now when you take an edge off a disk it takes three months to scar over and the scar is always more susceptible to herniation.

But certainly the muscle tissue micro cut would heal faster you'd think, with support
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Just by way of update; the orthopedic consultants ar Epsom have met this morning and concluded as a group that I do need an operation. Despite my best efforts for six months for conservative treatment it's just not going to cut it and to avoid possible paralysis it's neccassary to operate. They will be putting me on urgent list. Following the op I'm likely to need two weeks off work and possibly some care.

So that's it, I've tried conservative treatment but now I'm going in
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Wish you the best bro. Hope you heal up and are able to be back in the gym soon.
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Thanks chadd, the op Has good success rates for athletes
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Just by way of update; the orthopedic consultants ar Epsom have met this morning and concluded as a group that I do need an operation. Despite my best efforts for six months for conservative treatment it's just not going to cut it and to avoid possible paralysis it's neccassary to operate. They will be putting me on urgent list. Following the op I'm likely to need two weeks off work and possibly some care.

So that's it, I've tried conservative treatment but now I'm going in
keep us updated on your progress brother. road to recovery. once the surgery is done everyday will be 1 day closer to feeling like you again. nothing negative about this at all. your doing what it takes to fix a problem. once your finally able to hit it again your body will be primed for results and you'll be mentally refreshed.
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^ the thing is, we bodybuilding. The beauty of this is that there are so many different machines that you can work round problems.

Squatting was never a permanent fixture for ne, deadlifting either. I used to ben row 405.

But I can see a back workout of pull downs chest support rows, cable and light t bar, rich pulls maybe

Legs, leg press to 90, hacks to moderate weight. Fixed position shoulder pressing etc so I feel confident that once in action again I can build a good physique and be healthy
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Mr I comeback theme song.


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So all this muscle talk and how strong you were. Bla bla...you back at it yet or what? If this is the comeback thread, yea send me a postcard when you do "come back"

Just get it done, all this talk and energy wasted psst...get your ass going for fucks sake
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I'm dying to but part of the comeback is sorting out the fundamentals first. If I have a disk jammed in my sciatic system it needs taking out.

You must at least know me well enough from my years on here to know that when I'm fit I train hard. I'm no pussy when it comes to hard work
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I've spoken to your doctor. They've seriously considered the prospect that this ailment may in fact turn out to be.....betaitis.
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Seriously though, what is the plan hormone wise through all this now that you know your getting surgery? Trt levels? Gh? Healing peptides?
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Bro seriously, if you knew the pain I'm in right now, steroids is the last thing on my mind. Maybe I could think about post op recovery but at this time I have a disk fragment jammed into my nerve channel causing partial paralysis to left leg so that's the main focus of the comeback.

I may order in some pharma gh and run 10 iu ed post op to help heal the muscle etc they cut through I guess
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I'm dying to but part of the comeback is sorting out the fundamentals first. If I have a disk jammed in my sciatic system it needs taking out.

You must at least know me well enough from my years on here to know that when I'm fit I train hard. I'm no pussy when it comes to hard work
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