Please make suggestion to my 1st cycle

[PHit41]

What do you think of this 1st cycle...


Test Enan: 1-10 450mg/wk
Deca: 1-10 300mg/wk
Dbol: 1-5 20mg/ed
HCG: 5-6 5000IU mid-cycle
Winny: 8-12 20mg/ed

nolva on hand

liv 52
B12 (taken with shots)

PCT

Nolva: 12-16 40mg/ed tapered to 20mg/ed
HCG: 12-14 5000IU



age: 22
height 5'11"
weight: 215lbs 12%bf

Diet is immaculate (sp)

I am a hardgainer went from 103lbs freshman yr in HS to current weight 4th year in college. (but anybody can gain weight eating 7-9 times a day which i have done pretty consistently for about 4 years)

Training for 7+ years (4 years with proper diet)

very very serious about BBing

some lifts:

Squat: 485 1x4
Deads: 525 1x4
Bench: 360 1x4



A couple questions for you:

Would you rather see it with EQ which i would have a dose of 225mg/wk instead of deca? Is the Winny ok to add for 5 weeks, i was just intending on reducing the water retention with the deca as i dont want to look like the pillsberry doughboy by week 10. I also Know that it isnt the best idea to run the dbol then 3 weeks turn around and run the winny so i have two choices

1. run dbol till week 4 then begin winny week 8
2. forget winny and just look like a marshmellow at week 10
3. drop winny and replace with proviron or maybe some arimidex

and please make suggestions to anything else.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Very Respectfully,

PHit

ps. i will try to post some before pics if i can get a camera

[psyko1]

how would you dose the eq at 225? it's fine to run the winny for 5 but it'd work against the dbol. i think letro or ldex will keep you from the doughboy look. i don't think you need the hcg with your cycle length/doses. good questions though, kinda looks like what i wanna run soon.

[PHit41]

Originally posted by psyko1
how would you dose the eq at 225? it's fine to run the winny for 5 but it'd work against the dbol. i think letro or ldex will keep you from the doughboy look. i don't think you need the hcg with your cycle length/doses. good questions though, kinda looks like what i wanna run soon.

thanks for the response

well actually i am going to run the same cycle with a guy who is the same size and qualities almost exactly except he is 25.

we are purchasing the stuff and splitting it. All products are BL and one product comes in a 450mg/wk dose for 10 weeks. We were gonna just get one thing of it. Didnt really want the dose at 450mg/wk if we would have gotten two.

How would the winny work against the dbol if i stop the dbol at week 5 and run the winny at weeks 8-12 till pct?

Thank you

[psyko1]

i could be wrong about the winny/dbol, i just thought they weren't used in the same cycle. i myself haven't actually cycled so...............:dunno: .....................just wait till someone else answers. but if all you were gonna use the winny was for water management you could just go with liquidex or letrozole.

[crotchrocket226]

yeah, i dont think the hcg midcycle is really necessary.....you can prob get away with just the 5000iu post cycle(500iu eod 3 weeks after last enan injection) Letrozole or ldex will def help with the water retention, the dose of winny you are planning on using is too low anyway, you want to keep it up near 50mg ed. If you are planning on switching deca for EQ 225 is still a low dose for that (400mg is much better), and a 10 week cycle is actually short when running EQ....you'd be better off sticking to the deca300.

[Stonecold54]

way too much for a first cycle. are you getting ready for a competition or something. Just use test at 500mg a week for 10 weeks. leave everything else out. if you eat and train right you will grow. keep it simple.

ps except for the novadex, keep that.

[LARGELI]

good first cycle bro, the only thing i am gonna pick on you about is the winny......maybe save it for next time. i dont think you need to run 4 different drugs for your first cycle, not to mention that you are only giving your body 3 weeks break between orals.

my first 3 cycles were all 2 drug cycles and i dont regret it at all.
start off slow, be patient and get to know how your body reacts to different drugs before doing a full on assault. youre young and you have pretty good stats and i think you will be happy with just the test/deca/dbol, provided your diet is good.

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by LARGELI
good first cycle bro, the only thing i am gonna pick on you about is the winny......maybe save it for next time. i dont think you need to run 4 different drugs for your first cycle, not to mention that you are only giving your body 3 weeks break between orals.

my first 3 cycles were all 2 drug cycles and i dont regret it at all.
start off slow, be patient and get to know how your body reacts to different drugs before doing a full on assault. youre young and you have pretty good stats and i think you will be happy with just the test/deca/dbol, provided your diet is good.

he can't really tell what he is reacting to if he takes three or four different drugs at the same time. that is why test is recommended for a first cycle. it is is the simplest and easiest to use. as well as controllable side effects.

[slowpain]

I am 4 weeks into my first test/EQ cycle taking 500 test enanthate and 400 EQ /week and am loving it. I am 23 and have gained 10lbs already and feel so energetic and horny its great, especially when theres alot of hot chicks in your gym. I took deca before this cycle and it killed my sex drive, I hated it. Im getting very vascular off this too.

[bowbow]

week 1-10 test enan 500mg
week 1-4 30 mg d-bol

Thats all I would suggest along with proper pct.

[noryb96]

Originally posted by stonecold54
way too much for a first cycle. are you getting ready for a competition or something. Just use test at 500mg a week for 10 weeks. leave everything else out. if you eat and train right you will grow. keep it simple.

ps except for the novadex, keep that.

Bro, I STRONGLY recommend you follow that advice. I was just like you...had trained a long time, felt I'd maxed out, so thought I'd need a complex cycle to make gains. Was planning on doing Winny and deca, but the bros on this board recommended 500 mg per week. I gained 40 lbs, and kept 30 of it. 500 mg of test enth/week....the only difference is my PCT....I used clomid with Nolvadex. It's good to ease into the injections too.....it goes against your body's every natural instinct to stab yourself with an inch and a half of steel. Just my opinion. Good luck!

[LARGELI]

Originally posted by bowbow
week 1-10 test enan 500mg
week 1-4 30 mg d-bol

Thats all I would suggest along with proper pct.

that was my first cycle, except i only did 400mg test. strength went up tremendously! gained 20 pounds too.

[PHit41]

thanks for all the input so far...

some differing views, will take them all into consideration.

PHit

[redneck99]

Originally posted by stonecold54
he can't really tell what he is reacting to if he takes three or four different drugs at the same time. that is why test is recommended for a first cycle. it is is the simplest and easiest to use. as well as controllable side effects.

heard lots of good things about deca by itself for first time gear use

[PHit41]

Originally posted by redneck99
heard lots of good things about deca by itself for first time gear use

actually bro if you dont like to have sex then use deca alone.

very suppresive of test and if you have no test in the mix you will not be humping to much

PHit