nolva and gh--

[house1]

i read on here somewhere that couple people posted nolva renders gh useless--

is this true-- would like to see some articles on it if so--

my buddy just started nolva because of oncoming gyno probs-- running gh right now and does not want to waste it--

so would like to know some facts not personal opinions -- not trying to be an asshole-- gh is not cheap and would like to give him some solid facts


thanks for any help

sincerely
house1

[ROCKETW19]

i understand sometimes people just post what they think. im not a scientist so i only post what ive read from them. i think i got that off steroids.com and have had afew people agree. so thats good to me just switch the nolva to ferma or l-dex that way your safe. i know nolvas cheap but if you got GH then your not doin to badd.

[ROCKETW19]

sorry bro i just went to steroids.com and the whole site has changed to some junk but im sure thats were i read it. i did alot of research before i spent that kind of money on GH. if you have intimid8orrs e-mail he might have something on it ! we agreed on this before on another board.

[Doom]

I would ask Ironmaster, hes the guru with this

[house1]

thanks guys

[Lmg2701]

I'd just switch anti-e's just to be sure, never heard of that but who knows. Definitely wouldn't want to waste GH.

[TheStromba]

I just read this recently and I have to find a new Anti-E pretty quick.

I have been taking 10mg ed of nova and plan on starting my GH today.

[house1]

posted by ironmaster on the same question i posed on s'ology




Sorry I'm late to the party, house. That's somewhat of an overstatement. There are numerous studies which show that tamoxifen suppresses igf-1 levels, and may even suppress GH secretion. These all involve long-term doses in women with breast cancer.
There are NO studies which indicate the effects of tamoxifen on exogenous GH use.
But as a simple rule of thumb, I don't recommend nolvadex use during a cycle. Duchaine argued years ago that there was a suppression of gains.........probably due to the negative impact on IGF-1. AAS and exoGH usage may overcome or render minor any such negative impact, but why take a chance. There are better inhibitors available for use during cycle.
If your man already has full blown gyno, he should deal with it before proceeding with any cycle. Does tamoxifen "render GH useless"? NO.

[BAiley]

IN Anabolics 2004, pg 11, he talks about a study done where
Tamaxifen lowered IGF-1 levels...Had to do with Estrogen levels..
Sorry, but that is the most I could find on it...

[JuicedBeachBum]

tamoxifen and ldex (not as much) both lower igf1 levels. switch to letro.