12wks at 625mg or 15wks at 500mg

[audiowaves252]

12wks at 625mg or 15wks at 500mg, test enanthate, which would you choose and why?

thanks

[IAMHUGE]

20 weeks at 1000mg

[ROCKETW19]

Originally posted by IAMHUGE
20 weeks at 1000mg

thats great i like that..
first cycle id do 15 @ 500 3rd or 4th id do 10 @ 750 but thats just me..

[audiowaves252]

yes it will be my first

[GoldenDelicious]

250 for 12

first cycle, means youre hypersensitive to the stuff. higher doses will just lead to higher sides. no need bro, save it, youd be lucky to gain an extra pound overall imo on the higher dose

id go for a slightly shorter cycle so my balls didnt get too used to slacking off. use hcg during the cycle, probably consider an anti aromatic low dose just in case, and of course, pct with nolva afterwards

using after being natty is a big step, and what i said above will likely save you a lot of grief.

focus on the diet and training too. so sick of the higher dose = higher gains mentality that some people have

i know dudes that use 250 even after multiple cycles and do great on it. way less sides than the guys that do test for their first, double dose for their second, and a 3 drug test based cycle for their third. maybe think about front loading tho.

cheers

[GearTripper]

i'd have to agree with GD... say around 300-400 MAX per week for your first cycle for about 10-12 weeks.

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by GoldenDelicious
250 for 12

first cycle, means youre hypersensitive to the stuff. higher doses will just lead to higher sides. no need bro, save it, youd be lucky to gain an extra pound overall imo on the higher dose

id go for a slightly shorter cycle so my balls didnt get too used to slacking off. use hcg during the cycle, probably consider an anti aromatic low dose just in case, and of course, pct with nolva afterwards

using after being natty is a big step, and what i said above will likely save you a lot of grief.

focus on the diet and training too. so sick of the higher dose = higher gains mentality that some people have

i know dudes that use 250 even after multiple cycles and do great on it. way less sides than the guys that do test for their first, double dose for their second, and a 3 drug test based cycle for their third. maybe think about front loading tho.

cheers

I agree with your ideas but please don't use examples of people that are huge and just use 250 a week, genetics and gear use are two different animals. gear is used to break plateaus, just because someone is not huge using 500 a week doesn't mean they can't go over that amount.

[GoldenDelicious]

when did i do that stonecold? i didnt mention size at all

anyway my point is use low dose on your first cycle. if you want to chat about a second cycle, ill be honest, id advocate a repeat of the first cycle and see how you go. the arbitrary "up your dose for your second cycle" is not appropriate, imo. its far better to err and not quite get the gains you want on your second cycle (but you might) than go overkill, boost the aas dose through the roof, and land in the middle of sidesville

by the way, are you the same stonecold that posted their pic on ef a while back?

[audiowaves252]

everything is in order with diet and training right now, i've researched countless hours and now im ready. From what ive read hcg is not necessary with these doses. I've got clomid and nolva for pct and liquid nolva on hand for gyno symtoms.

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by GoldenDelicious
when did i do that stonecold? i didnt mention size at all

anyway my point is use low dose on your first cycle. if you want to chat about a second cycle, ill be honest, id advocate a repeat of the first cycle and see how you go. the arbitrary "up your dose for your second cycle" is not appropriate, imo. its far better to err and not quite get the gains you want on your second cycle (but you might) than go overkill, boost the aas dose through the roof, and land in the middle of sidesville

by the way, are you the same stonecold that posted their pic on ef a while back?

nope I have not ever posted pics on EF, I have some in the members section if you want to check me out though. :D

http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...threadid=12123
http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...threadid=12571

[GearTripper]

Originally posted by stonecold54
nope I have not ever posted pics on EF, I have some in the members section if you want to check me out though. :D

http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...threadid=12123
http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...threadid=12571

stone - will you please stop hitting on all the other MALE members of this board, you're going to make your s/o mad :)

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by GearTripper
stone - will you please stop hitting on all the other MALE members of this board, you're going to make your s/o mad :)

whoops I thought that was a pm. LOL;)

[IAMHUGE]

Sorry guys, I was just being a wise ass w/ the "1000mg for 20 weeks" comment.

My first cycle was sustanon 250 @ 500mg week for 12 weeks.

[audiowaves252]

how did that work for you?

[GoldenDelicious]

Originally posted by audiowaves252
everything is in order with diet and training right now, i've researched countless hours and now im ready. From what ive read hcg is not necessary with these doses. I've got clomid and nolva for pct and liquid nolva on hand for gyno symtoms.

audio mate wherever you read that i can confidently tell you your sources are wrong

your body produces something along the lines of 70mg test a week. if you start injecting even only 70mg a week, your body will respond by making less endogenous (natural) test, and you may start to atrophy (balls shrink). now you were asking if its ok to use 500mg a week.....bro you are going to shut down, and shut down hard because youre using test (very supressive)

so. get some hcg. you dont have to, theyre your balls, but im warning you im the king of "i told you so" (i love it...loooooove it)

stonecold nice pics...shame im straight and on the other side of the world :)

cheers fellas