looking for good advise on cycle

[chaz]

Did first cycle ever last May - Deca 4 weeks 2cc every 3 days

Skipped 3 weeks and did cycle of winny for 4 weeks 25 Mg a day

I was 5'6 184 at first cycle with 25% body fat, by august at the end of both cycles i ended up at 160 with 5% body fat lean and cut as hell. I think the results were really good for what i did but i think the 3 miles of running a day with the winny really shrunk me a lot. I will never run again! Now i want to have some BIG gains moderately over a period of time so i dont blow up too fast. I can get my hands on bddbol and bdwinny tabs and wanted some advice as to what i should do. I was thinking on stacking them both 25mg a piece a day for 5 weeks. Dont know how the dbols are as far as water retention but i figured the winnys would help that plus keep me on the shredded side. Any thoughts?

[Chadd77]

I think any cycle whether it is bulking or cutting should include test.

Week 1-10 500mg/week Test
Week 1-4 30mg/ed dbol
Week 1-12 1mg/eod Letrozole

[generalmax]

please dont stack 2 17aa roids

Go with an injectable like test or deca then add the winny @ between 30-50mg a day and keep your diet clean.

Or even dbol @40-50 ed with test or deca and run nolvadex at 20mg a day to keep off water

just do lots of research and dont forget pct good luck

[chaz]

Thanks for the replies

I dont fool with injectibles, i have some crazy frickin disorder when i see needles, i cant explain it but if i see a needle or think i see a needle i will black out cold. My first deca cycle my buddy had to give it to me and it was torcher, never do it again. All i can get are the bd's i mentioned. Why not 2 17's? I know they're not good for the kidneys but just over a 5 week span and a little break? Hey thats why i ask. Let me know and thank you

[Gorilla Unit]

Bro either get over using needles or don't even bother with using AAS. Thats just my opinion.

[decadan]

Originally posted by Gorilla Unit
Bro either get over using needles or don't even bother with using AAS. Thats just my opinion.

I agree. Suck it up or don't do anything at all. It's just a needle Bro, not a Crocodile Dundee knife. :D

[generalmax]

use dbol @40mg a day for 4 weeks

make sure you have some nolvadex just in case of gyno or to much bloat.
dbol only cycles do work no matter what a lot of people say.
do 4 weeks on then 4 weeks off then if you are ready do another four weeks again

doing short cycles with fast acting roids will work, you might not put lots of mass on but what you do achieve it will be far easier to keep

but injections are safer and generally better than orals imo

[chaz]

Thanks for the posts but i have another question

You guys are all sayings AA's are bad and i do know that but -are you saying they are bad because of the whole stress on the kidneys or just the results? or both. In the big picture if i do what general max says "month on month off" and so on for about 3 cycles is it really going to be that bad for me? I really appreciate the input guys, Thank you

[generalmax]

no mate they are not that bad. if you are using orals dont go over 5 weeks(imo) and dont take the piss ( go drinking and taking to many recreational drugs) also you can take a liver detox tylers etc. liver sides are overrayed in my opinion what you intend to take is f--k all. 4 weeks on 4 weeks off then go again time on = time off . dbol is a great drug imo ( the best bang for your buck)
as long as you are over 21 go for it

[chaz]

Yo general

Bro i appreciate your input, im a little cofused by your last post - it may be the typos. Dude retype that and send it again. Have you used the bddbol before? Im assuming yes. pm me if youre on the pc