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**razdazbraz** · 03-27-04, 08:34 PM

www.spotinjections.com will have everything you need to know about injections.

**Slightly E** · 03-27-04, 09:00 PM

I take it from your post that you are doing a winny only cycle.

First off there is no need to inject winstrol. Just draw it out and drink it. Grapefuit juice has properties that will enhance most orals. This what I chase mine with.

Secondly, if your winstrol is in a water solution, there is a good chance that it conatins no BA, which will leave you susceptible to infection.

**dbol** · 03-27-04, 10:11 PM

I'm a nurse so I can help you with the injection end of it but haven't done winny-v in ten years so someone else will have to help you with that compound.
1. I believe you have to roll winny in your palms until the solution is moderately mixed.
2. wipe the vial top with alcohol.
3. fill syringe needle with an equal amount of air that you plan on 4. inject air into the vial, invert and draw out the amount to inject.
5. wipe the skin thoroughly with a new alcohol wipe.
6. take your free hand and spread the skin with your pointer and thumb like you are stretching the area to be injected.
7. dart smoothly in one stroke all the way to the hub of the needle.
8. aspirate on the plunger to see if there is blood. should only be a vacuum or a little bubble. if there is blood do not pull the needle. simply pull it back a quarter of an inch and aspirate again. no blood...proceed.
9. push the liquid in at a constant speed. no more than 10-15 seconds is necessary regardless of what youv'e heard. The longer the needle stays in you the more damage it will do to the tissue.
10. spread the skin again and quickly withdraw the needle.
11. if you are a bleeder you can do what is called the z-track method. The only difference in the procedure is that instead on spreading the skin with two fingers in opposite directions, you pull it to one side, and leave it pulled the whole time. The trick is to aspirate with one hand. It is easy unless you use syringes with those fucking idiot proof shields. anyway pulll the skin one way dart, aspirate, inject, withdraw and let loose of the skin. there should be no blood if done right, because the hole that you created with the needle is now offset so that blood can't make it to the surface in a straight line so it gets trapped.
I vigorously massage my outer quad after a shot for about 30 seconds almost to the point of pain. It has worked well for me and I have never felt a not. Also the muscle tends to get used to injections so I would inject in a similar spot each time but no more than two per week in the same spot. I remember I used to limp after an injection of winny but just suck it up and do it on you leg day after the workout and you'll live.
peace.

**BIGGS** · 03-28-04, 01:22 AM

Thanks everyone. Thanks dbol cant beat a trained professionals advice!!

This isnt the first time I have heard about drinking the stuff. Anyone else hear or can advise on that? Is it harder on the liver?

**hitmansb** · 03-28-04, 02:18 AM

nice post dbol...thanks for taking the time to type all that out!

I've heard that drinking winny will get you 80% of the amount that is absorbed when injecting it...but I'd much rather inject and get all of it.

**SMACKAVELI** · 03-28-04, 03:35 AM

Drinking it is the same as taking it IM. It just passes through the liver twice(orally).
It will get in your bloodstream regardless.

**Slightly E** · 03-28-04, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by hitmansb
nice post dbol...thanks for taking the time to type all that out!

I've heard that drinking winny will get you 80% of the amount that is absorbed when injecting it...but I'd much rather inject and get all of it.

I was wondering where you got that 80% number. I had to search a few boards but I found it quoted in BB's FAQ.

During my search I found everything from a 5% to a 30% decrease in effectiveness. But no one has, or at least post, data to back up their claims. Obviously I didn't go through every post on the board in the past 15 mins.

One statement that I find so amusing is "why drink what you can inject"

I think the exact opposite. Injecting brings about certain inherent risks. Winstrol is especially know for its pain and soreness. Plus everyday injects get very old.

Drinking has been working great for me. I seriously doubt that there is a 20% decrease. I have ran winstrol only at 50mg ed drinking it and the results were very good.

But I have little experience to go on. However I did find posts by bdtr and Basskiller who also express doubts about this number.

If anyone has data that would shine more light on this, please share.

Lastly if you are concerned about the loss, just drink 20% more

**Slightly E** · 03-28-04, 04:38 PM

well i'll be damned, as soon as I post this I find this:

http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...in%2A%2A%2A%2A

posted by StoneColdNTO

Off of Brock Strasser's column on T - Mag

Q: There's this huge debate raging over whether or not you can "drink" your Winny-V. I know that because stanozolol is 17-AA'ed, I can use it orally. However, how much more or less effective is oral stanozolol over injected stanozolol? I hear that you need about twice as much stanozolol orally as you would injected to see similar results. How was this figure of doubling the dose orally determined?

A: There isn't a lot of great pharmacokinetic data in humans comparing oral to parenteral (injectable) stanozolol. So that idea of "if you use X amount by injection you need twice as much orally" is anecdotal and speculative at best. The best I could find is a study comparing the two methods of administration in dogs. My comments come after the abstract:

The effect of stanozolol on 15-nitrogen retention in the dog

Can J Vet Res 2000 Oct;64(4):246-8 (ISSN: 0830-9000)

Olson ME; Morck DW; Quinn KB [Find other articles with these Authors] Animal Health Unit and Gastrointestinal Sciences, University of Calgary, Alberta.

The objective of the study was to determine the influence of either oral or intramuscular administration of stanozolol on nitrogen retention in dogs by using a non-invasive 15N-amino acid tracer technique. Ten healthy, intact, adult male sled dogs received either stanozolol tablets, 2 mg/dog PO, q12h, for 25 days (Group 1, n = 5) or an intramuscular injection of 25 mg of stanozolol on Days 7, 14, 21, and 28 (Group 2, n = 5). A 15N amino acid (5.27 mmol) was infused intravenously into each dog on Day 0 (before stanozolol treatment) and on Day 31 (after stanozolol treatment). Urine was collected by catheterization from each animal 3 times daily for 3 consecutive days. The 15N-urea enrichment in urine was determined by high-resolution mass spectrometry and the total amount of urea in the urine was determined.

Both oral and injectable stanozolol resulted in significant (P < 0.05) increases in amino acid nitrogen retention compared to pretreatment values. Oral stanozolol increased nitrogen retention from 29.2 +/- 8.2% to 50.3 +/- 9.2%, while stanozolol injection increased nitrogen retention from 26.6 +/- 9.9% to 67.0 +/- 7.5%. The response to intramuscular administration was significantly greater than the response to the oral dosing regime. Stanozolol increases amino acid nitrogen retention in dogs, as has been previously observed in rats. This action of stanozolol may be beneficial in dogs under stress of surgical trauma and chronic disease.

Okay, so the oral dose was 28mg/week and the injected dose was 25mg/week. And the injected dose was far better at increasing nitrogen retention (67.0% versus 50.3%). This makes it about 33.2% better (roughly speaking), so if I extrapolate, it means to see the same effects as 25mg of injected stanozolol per week, you'd need to take about 38mg of it orally.

This isn't quite "twice the injected dose" and is, in fact, closer to 50% (52% or so actually). So if you assume the dog model is correct, or nearly so in other mammals like humans, you'd need about 50% more stanozolol orally than you would if you injected it. So if you used 50mg of injected Winstrol every other day, it would be a safe bet to assume 37.5mg of stanozolol used orally every day would provide a similar effect.

I know I asked for facts, but I am still skeptical of this study. I really don't know how dogs would differ from us. And additionally I know from my experience and of others that it isn't noticable.

To each his own.............

**dbol** · 03-28-04, 05:04 PM

Good job on the research Slightly E. It is something that many people have pondered.
Peace.

**BIGGS** · 03-28-04, 06:19 PM

Hey guys, this is a great thread i am learning alot and thanks for the help.

OK so aside from the slight loss in effectiveness, is the strain on the liver going to increase? Will it be the same strain as the tabs?

I know the risks, but realisticly should one be really concerned with taking 1, 20 ml vial orally?

**BIGGS** · 03-28-04, 06:20 PM

Oh yeah.........what the hell does it taste like? Will Grapefruit Juice mask the taste?

**Slightly E** · 03-28-04, 11:40 PM

taste like sh*t

I don't put it in teh juice like some. After I draw it out, I take off the pin, fill my mouth with grapefruit juice, tilt head back, squirt it in, swallow, chase like hell with the rest of the glass

I know you don't need every step, I am just bored

I used EQL which is in an oil......it was horrible, but not as bad as everyday winny shots!!!!!!!!!!!!

**Slightly E** · 03-28-04, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by BIGGS

Will it be the same strain as the tabs?

will be the same as the tabs

I use:
ALA
Milk Thistle
Tyler's "Detoxication Factors"

The Tyler product is the best, it is expensive, but you are worth it

**SMACKAVELI** · 03-30-04, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by BIGGS
Oh yeah.........what the hell does it taste like? Will Grapefruit Juice mask the taste?

It's not bad. Just taste like clay with water.

Compared to the other liquid stuff we ingest (liquiclen, liquiclomid, liquinolva, etc.), the winny is pretty tolerable.

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