Anyone ever just get tired of trying?

[Stonecold54]

This game is tough to stay motivated about. With so much being written on all the internet boards you would think things would be progressing. But the anabolic game doesn't seem to have come much further than since I started about 5 years ago. We have stronger brands, more underground labs, powder dealers, more availbalitiy of GH an IGF-3. But do we really have more knowledge of what these things do to us good and bad. I would say about 5% of users get blood work done regulary (and I will admit that I am not one of them that does it regulary). Anabolics should be something that should be treated as a science with a specific progression but again how many people keep accurate logs of what they are doing and all the outside factors that can influence your results? How many people use an "accurate" bodyfat analyzer to see what is actually happening to their compostion (not the infrared, not the calipers, or the cheap bio-electrical versions)? Most of the drug reports we have are not even for us. We use estrogen and progestrone reports that are for women trying to beat cancer. Gh and other growth drugs are usually for AIDS patients. there are a few accurate reports out there obviously that we can draw information from but how many people understand them or rely on other people to translate them for you? Most everyone on a board is trying to sell either gear, another board, or supplements. I know everyone needs to support themselves but sometimes it gets old ( ;) ). And then of course there is always the illegality of it for some of us who worry about our families and ourselves. Nobody likes to see a bro go down for this because it is so trivial in life that it doesn't seem fair.

I guess I would just like to see more scientific progress on stacking drugs. I would like to see more people use single drugs instead of huge amounts of everything. Again I have done most of these things that I am talking about, but I have been thinking more about them lately. A lot of people have no idea how to train and then there are people who are trying to teach them that have no idea (blind leading the blind). Okay I am done talking :D , I was just having a lot of these thoughts throughout the day and thought I would share. if anyone else has stuff to share go right ahead and hijack the thread. ;)

PS-most of this does not apply to this board. The reason I am here is that it is one of the best boards out there that keeps my interest and has interesting topics and people.

[organdoner]

the problem is, along with misinformation drug profiles are outdated. look at some of the responses you get and you can see it is not the persons own words but copied profiles. fina has suddenly been a compound everyone claims they are using yet look around your gyms. does everyone look better? NO! self proclaimed gurus come a dime a dozen based on post counts so much advise taken is not from true experience. 5-6 cycles is still a newbie. if we treat it as science as you say then we're life time newbies. for me all my cycles are an experiment to see how i respond so i now know what works and what doesn't. test, dbol, eq, deca cause me problems so i tend to cycle around these compounds with great success though i do use them from time to time. there are to many set rules for cycling. this goes with this and these don't mix or you can't bulk/cut with this drug. i feel i can use any gear for any situation and get the results i want. through trial and error you have to fine what works for you.

[FLEX IT]

I feel that we need to go back to the basics... Test, Dbol, Deca, and Winstrol.

I also feel that far too many people rely too much on the drugs instead of proper diet, training and rest. I don't think there is any reason in hell to be shooting 1 gram of Test/week. If your doing everything right, you should be able to grow off 1/4 of that, but not many people are willing to put the dedication into diet and training.

[decadan]

Originally posted by FLEX IT
I feel that we need to go back to the basics... Test, Dbol, Deca, and Winstrol.

I also feel that far too many people rely too much on the drugs instead of proper diet, training and rest. I don't think there is any reason in hell to be shooting 1 gram of Test/week. If your doing everything right, you should be able to grow off 1/4 of that, but not many people are willing to put the dedication into diet and training.

... well maybe not a quarter, but at least half. ;)

[num1son]

I think too many people rely on the gear to make them big when for most people the most anabolic substance is food :) yep...

I like the idea of gettin back to basics but also with the workout routines too, I think that some of us tend to get too technical and well should sometimes follow the steps of those before us who were great, who didnt have hammer press machines and just lifted in dingy gym with no silicone titties bouncing around...

yah back to basics...

K

[house1]

I also feel that far too many people rely too much on the drugs instead of proper diet, training and rest. I don't think there is any reason in hell to be shooting 1 gram of Test/week. If your doing everything right, you should be able to grow off 1/4 of that, but not many people are willing to put the dedication into diet and training.

this hits it on the head imo