prop vs. base

[sreisin547]

what is the difference between the two (effect wise) and which would you guys recommend? from what i've seen it looks like the base is easier to make from syno. would be running it with tren

[Stonecold54]

Re: prop vs. base

Originally posted by sreisin547
what is the difference between the two (effect wise) and which would you guys recommend? from what i've seen it looks like the base is easier to make from syno. would be running it with tren

well base side effects would hit you harder but the side effects would go away faster. I would only use that if you are going to compete or powerlift.

[Doom]

base is suspension more or less, no ester, propionate is a matter of 2 days tops in clearance time, suspensions are generally water based, and even if suspened in oil the substance instantly crystalizes to the muscle and begins to release, hence the pain usually assocaited with them

[Skyefire]

Base can be made into an oil solution but usually at low mg/ml (75 or less). The problem with test base in oil is that the half-life is really the time it take the body to absorb the depot. This ranges from 12 to 36 (very far end, and as made in a certain manner) hours (the actual peak occurring around the time the depot is fully dispersed in the muscle. I am simplifying a bit here, as I don’t fully understand the workings) This is why you have to inject the base at least every day. The difference between it and prop is the prop has and actual half-life of 4.5 days so EOD injects are fine.

How the test base differs is largely dependent on how you make your inject. Using a waterborne suspension is not my first choice for any gear as it is painful and (in the case of test) can cause a large spike in the hormone levels due to the rapid dispersion and absorbsion. An oil base solution is better IMO if you make your own. A lot of the old kits (and not a few underground labs) made for very painful injections, as there ‘magic dissolving’ solutions were nothing but BA. BA has the benefits of being a very strong solvent and a sterilizing agent. So people were content to use 10 to 15% BA. Not only is this painful in its own right (anything with over 10% BA is almost certain to hurt) but BA is partially water-soluble. (About 4grams into 100ml) This causes the BA to be leached out by the body and test base falls out of solution quit easily, so as Doom pointed out the test base crystallizes causing pain.

The pain from test base is cause by exactly what doom said. There are some things you can do to keep it painless or nearly so. First keep the mg/ml dosage low, at or less then 75mg/ml with 50 being the best (remember that you can always diluted latter if needed). The second thing is to use as much BB as you can tolerate (prolong the life of the depot). For most people this is about 15% of the solution. This will help greatly (it seams that people are always trying to keep the solvent to a min due to the pain of BA. Don’t do that here.) reduce the chance or prolong the time till re crystallization. Third is to use a heavier oil for your solution. Big Cat recommends using caster oil for this purpose. I usually just use more BB or an additional hydrophobic solvent. Also you can cut it with other gear, in you case keep the fina separate and use it to cut the base if you find it painful. (I prefer to make profina myself). Remember there is no danger in trying the higher mg/ml or profina as you can always cut it.

[maxmuscle245]

Some claim that the muscle you inject the base into gets the first whack at the hormone so localized growth can possibly be achieved. Base will blow you up faster and you can start pct sooner when using it . You should be injecting the tren everyday so if i were in your shoes i would bang the test base every day with it.