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Origionally posted on 8/05/03 by skyefire at AA
http://www.anabolic-alchemy.com/show...6243#post16243
http://www.anabolic-alchemy.com/show...6243#post16243
First let me give credit were credit is due, I first heard about some of these in an article written by Dazed. Having said that and that by all accounts Dazed is a good man with good products I need to add that I have 2 big problems with his article. First is that he didn’t try any of this himself. If you think about this it is a no brainer. He found the info under an old patent. There is also a lot of old patents for perpetual motion machines. They don’t work ether.
My second complaint is my biggest; proper warnings were not given for the suggested use of these chemicals. They are in fact drugs in there own right. Phenyl Salicylate (Salol) was in fact used for years a pain reliever before aspirin. (Aspirin is derived from phenyl salicylate, reacted with acetic acid to form acetylsalicylic acid, i.e. aspirin) The side affects from the phenyl salicylate are in fact worse then with aspirin. Guaiacol has a similar history. All these types of drugs can be classified as NSAID. All these drugs have their roots back to the mid 19th century. BTW if anyone ever tells that something is advanced medicine for pain you can call it bullshit. IF YOU ARE ALERGIC TO ANY ASPIRIN TYPE PRODUCT THEN YOU WILL BE ALERGIC TO THIS ALSO. DRUG INTERACTIONS MUST BE CHECKED. DO NOT USE IF YOU’RE CURRENTLY USING AN “ECA STACK”. Be aware side affect including blood thinning, pain reduction (Yes, this is a side affect and not always a good one. Heavy lifters should take care), sweating, low body temperature, and other aspirin like side affects.
Now having said all that these solvents are interesting. So far I’ve only used two of them, phenyl salicylate and guaiacol. Had mixed results. Please note that when I speak of these solvents collectively that I am being very general, they cover a wide range of properties. They are strong solvents due largely to having a combination of functional groups. These are usually one carbonyl group with one or more hydroxyl groups. This mixture of functional groups is far more powerful than ether on its own. (Think of the glycol ether/ alcohol combo, nether solvent is that strong by itself but used together is one of the most popular blends used.) Another factor is the placement of the groups, often side by side or at oppositions.
Phenyl Salicylate (Salol) is the odd man out here. The carbonyl group is somewhat recessed by the positioning of the phenyl rings. (Makes a shallow V shape with the carbonyl group in the bottom) That along with a carbonyl equivalent weight of 214 makes for moderate solvent only. Note: the following is my speculation only, I don’t have any hard research to back it up but I believe that the phenyl salicylate works so well because of the recessed carbonyl. This work in a way similar to mixing different esters of testosterone, the peaces literally don’t fit. (If you need a visually image of this think of trying to build a lattice structure with linkin logs, only every other one is one unit too short, you can’t do it) The phenyl salicylate does something similar, by latching onto a molecule with the carbonyl group the shallow v shape is filled and you left with an odd shaped lump that really can’t make any structures from. This is why the hormone/ phenyl salicylate mixture remains liquid even after cooling.
Things I’ve tried with the phenyl salicylate:
Note much because I was soured by my D-bol experiment I haven’t done very much with this. I got 400mg/ml d-bol along with some other things and made a combination shot. This was painless to inject and pain free for the first couple of days then it was terrible. What I think happened was that after the body got rid of the co solvents and hormones what I was left with was pure phenyl salicylate so it recrystalized. (PAIN, and I had it both quads too). I am going to try this one more time with a longer acting hormone and see how it works.
Guaiacol is the methyl ether of pyrocatechin, and is obtained by distilling guaiacum from wood-tar creosote. A strong solvent pure and simple it has some water miscibility to it and high degree of oil solubility as well. It’s a past at room temperature that will melt on your hand. with a carbonyl equivalent weight of 124 it can be used in relatively small amounts witch is a good thing because it’s painful to inject. But to give you an idea of the power of the guaiacol 300mg/ml testosterone propante can be made using .5g guaiacol to 1gram of testosterone propante. While this inject is tolerable it is not pleasant and I would not care to do this every day. Note the pain is independent of the hormone used, 100 mg/ml is the same as 300mg/ml. The only solution that I have gotten that is somewhat comfortable is a water reducible I made with it. See below.
1. 1gram of guaiacol
2. 2grams of D-bol
3. 1.2ml PG
4. .5ml BA
Add the above together and heat until all mixed. Filter thru .2. Here is the neat trick: Premix 1 part distilled water and 1 part PEG 200/400 and mix thourghly. Run through filter until you get 10ml. Shake vigorously. If your powder isn't real pure you may have to heat at this last step.
Option 2: Just did this one last nigh. Mix up all the stuff except the gear and just add the gear at the end. Heat up. The dbol will dissolve. Damn this was easy.
There are dozens of salicylate that could be discussed here but I haven’t tried any of them myself. One of interest is octyl salicylate, which has been reported to be used in an underground lab to make high mg/ml of testosterone propante. Octyl salicylate is pretty much the same thing as Guaiacol with an ester attached to it. I am probably going to try this one and see if it less painful then the guaiacol.
My second complaint is my biggest; proper warnings were not given for the suggested use of these chemicals. They are in fact drugs in there own right. Phenyl Salicylate (Salol) was in fact used for years a pain reliever before aspirin. (Aspirin is derived from phenyl salicylate, reacted with acetic acid to form acetylsalicylic acid, i.e. aspirin) The side affects from the phenyl salicylate are in fact worse then with aspirin. Guaiacol has a similar history. All these types of drugs can be classified as NSAID. All these drugs have their roots back to the mid 19th century. BTW if anyone ever tells that something is advanced medicine for pain you can call it bullshit. IF YOU ARE ALERGIC TO ANY ASPIRIN TYPE PRODUCT THEN YOU WILL BE ALERGIC TO THIS ALSO. DRUG INTERACTIONS MUST BE CHECKED. DO NOT USE IF YOU’RE CURRENTLY USING AN “ECA STACK”. Be aware side affect including blood thinning, pain reduction (Yes, this is a side affect and not always a good one. Heavy lifters should take care), sweating, low body temperature, and other aspirin like side affects.
Now having said all that these solvents are interesting. So far I’ve only used two of them, phenyl salicylate and guaiacol. Had mixed results. Please note that when I speak of these solvents collectively that I am being very general, they cover a wide range of properties. They are strong solvents due largely to having a combination of functional groups. These are usually one carbonyl group with one or more hydroxyl groups. This mixture of functional groups is far more powerful than ether on its own. (Think of the glycol ether/ alcohol combo, nether solvent is that strong by itself but used together is one of the most popular blends used.) Another factor is the placement of the groups, often side by side or at oppositions.
Phenyl Salicylate (Salol) is the odd man out here. The carbonyl group is somewhat recessed by the positioning of the phenyl rings. (Makes a shallow V shape with the carbonyl group in the bottom) That along with a carbonyl equivalent weight of 214 makes for moderate solvent only. Note: the following is my speculation only, I don’t have any hard research to back it up but I believe that the phenyl salicylate works so well because of the recessed carbonyl. This work in a way similar to mixing different esters of testosterone, the peaces literally don’t fit. (If you need a visually image of this think of trying to build a lattice structure with linkin logs, only every other one is one unit too short, you can’t do it) The phenyl salicylate does something similar, by latching onto a molecule with the carbonyl group the shallow v shape is filled and you left with an odd shaped lump that really can’t make any structures from. This is why the hormone/ phenyl salicylate mixture remains liquid even after cooling.
Things I’ve tried with the phenyl salicylate:
Note much because I was soured by my D-bol experiment I haven’t done very much with this. I got 400mg/ml d-bol along with some other things and made a combination shot. This was painless to inject and pain free for the first couple of days then it was terrible. What I think happened was that after the body got rid of the co solvents and hormones what I was left with was pure phenyl salicylate so it recrystalized. (PAIN, and I had it both quads too). I am going to try this one more time with a longer acting hormone and see how it works.
Guaiacol is the methyl ether of pyrocatechin, and is obtained by distilling guaiacum from wood-tar creosote. A strong solvent pure and simple it has some water miscibility to it and high degree of oil solubility as well. It’s a past at room temperature that will melt on your hand. with a carbonyl equivalent weight of 124 it can be used in relatively small amounts witch is a good thing because it’s painful to inject. But to give you an idea of the power of the guaiacol 300mg/ml testosterone propante can be made using .5g guaiacol to 1gram of testosterone propante. While this inject is tolerable it is not pleasant and I would not care to do this every day. Note the pain is independent of the hormone used, 100 mg/ml is the same as 300mg/ml. The only solution that I have gotten that is somewhat comfortable is a water reducible I made with it. See below.
1. 1gram of guaiacol
2. 2grams of D-bol
3. 1.2ml PG
4. .5ml BA
Add the above together and heat until all mixed. Filter thru .2. Here is the neat trick: Premix 1 part distilled water and 1 part PEG 200/400 and mix thourghly. Run through filter until you get 10ml. Shake vigorously. If your powder isn't real pure you may have to heat at this last step.
Option 2: Just did this one last nigh. Mix up all the stuff except the gear and just add the gear at the end. Heat up. The dbol will dissolve. Damn this was easy.
There are dozens of salicylate that could be discussed here but I haven’t tried any of them myself. One of interest is octyl salicylate, which has been reported to be used in an underground lab to make high mg/ml of testosterone propante. Octyl salicylate is pretty much the same thing as Guaiacol with an ester attached to it. I am probably going to try this one and see if it less painful then the guaiacol.