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**num1son** · 05-05-04, 04:16 PM

safer??? so u choose growth hormones, wow im so confused...

read more maybe GH is a last resort esp if ure only 170 lbs :)

K

**GearTripper** · 05-05-04, 04:20 PM

the "occasional clomid" is pointless IMO. i hope your Winstrol viles aren't 10ml or anything (just kidding - maybe?) also, you left out plenty of carbs and proten on the second two phases, but i'm assuming you'll continue to eat? ahh, GH for less sides? you're trying too hard to do something a more difficult way. you could actually get just as good results spending a lot less money and using only a few basic compounds like test/EQ/anavar. re-think and read up some more is what i would suggest.

**pudgy** · 05-05-04, 04:21 PM

am not in a hurry to grow (then do not jucie and get your diet in check)

you have to eat to grow period.
your cycle is a mess post some dosages.

as for post cycle therapy,aromasin, nolvadex, liquidex, clomid are all keywords

**GearTripper** · 05-05-04, 04:23 PM

ya know the more i think about it... if you just want that "lean baywatch" look... forget everything you're "trying" to do with all that stuff and stick to a straight Test-only cycle wtih maybe - maybe a little Winny thrown in near the end for 6 weeks... same results, lot less money, safer for a newbie, better idea all the way around - IMO.

**Skyefire** · 05-05-04, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by GearTripper
the "occasional clomid" is pointless IMO. i hope your Winstrol viles aren't 10ml or anything (just kidding - maybe?) also, you left out plenty of carbs and proten on the second two phases, but i'm assuming you'll continue to eat? ahh, GH for less sides? you're trying too hard to do something a more difficult way. you could actually get just as good results spending a lot less money and using only a few basic compounds like test/EQ/anavar. re-think and read up some more is what i would suggest.

what he said.

**decadan** · 05-05-04, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by GearTripper
the "occasional clomid" is pointless IMO. i hope your Winstrol viles aren't 10ml or anything (just kidding - maybe?) also, you left out plenty of carbs and proten on the second two phases, but i'm assuming you'll continue to eat? ahh, GH for less sides? you're trying too hard to do something a more difficult way. you could actually get just as good results spending a lot less money and using only a few basic compounds like test/EQ/anavar. re-think and read up some more is what i would suggest.

Ditto! :agree:

**psyko1** · 05-05-04, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by GearTripper
the "occasional clomid" is pointless IMO. i hope your Winstrol viles aren't 10ml or anything (just kidding - maybe?) also, you left out plenty of carbs and proten on the second two phases, but i'm assuming you'll continue to eat? ahh, GH for less sides? you're trying too hard to do something a more difficult way. you could actually get just as good results spending a lot less money and using only a few basic compounds like test/EQ/anavar. re-think and read up some more is what i would suggest.

monkey see monkey do :D

**mayday9** · 05-05-04, 05:13 PM

Thanks for all your replies. The reason I chose GH/test propionat/winny is quallity. I like the idea of growing new muscle cells and I like most GH side effects (revitalizing the body etc).

I've had excelent experience with winny/propionate combo before. Little water retention, firm muscles, more energy, endurance, strenght, etc.. even improved libido is a good side effect. I kept most of my winny/propionat gains from before.

Now I'm trying to mix the three elements together and adding whatever needs to be added to optimize the cycle (providing that the stuff isn't "dangerous"). Like for example insulin would be good to add, but I don't want to. Was trying to get Glucophage instead, but couldn't. So I'm stuck with eating a lot of carbs (cakes, sweets, maltodextrine, whatever)

The reason I added T4 (which should be safer/better than T3) is because GH supposedly exhausts body's natural thyroid hormone after a while.

Bottom line is I would like to work with those three main compounds. Dosing/distributing and supporting stuff is up for modification

**mayday9** · 05-05-04, 05:17 PM

About the ocasional clomid.. last time I went off test propionat/winny cycle I didn't close it right (as I said I'm not a veteran). That left me with a low libido. I could get it up, no problem but I didn't feel like having sex at all for 2 months.. Now I'm back on external test. but my natural test. is probably still not working right. So I did the Clomid treatment now (1st day 6 tabs, then 2 tabs for 3 days, then 1 tab per day) and figured it might be ok to keep taking an ocasional clomid..

**mayday9** · 05-05-04, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by pudgy
am not in a hurry to grow (then do not jucie and get your diet in check)

you have to eat to grow period.
your cycle is a mess post some dosages.

as for post cycle therapy,aromasin, nolvadex, liquidex, clomid are all keywords

I'm in my 3rd week now and lately I've been hungry like crazy, eating full blown meals about every 2 hours. It's like all of a sudden I get the feeling I'm starving while few minutes ago I was fine. Then when I get the food I'm almost shaking and eating it like an animal:) It's GH's fault, right? I sleep more than before, with almost regular afternoon naps. Pumps are amazing, painful in the end. Went up 5kg in body weight (in 17 days)

I've made a mistake in dosages above, so here are the right amounts:
- jintropin: 4UI every day
- Testosterone propionat: 100mg (1 ml) every other day
- Winstrol depot 50mg (1 ml vial? standard from zambon) every other day

**num1son** · 05-05-04, 05:51 PM

OK so first let me get this right... ure bout 170-180 lbs and u've done a few cycles and ure goal is that baywatch pretty boy look...

if this is right stick to this, prop and tren and mass amts of proteing 500wk/75mg ed/ and a ton of protein... little water retention and fast acting so ure post cycle therapy can start right away...

I dont mean to flame but being 170lbs and have done a few cycles where ure abs arent showing fully kinda tells me that ure prob around 12ish % bf so ure lean mass is around 153 or so... if this is the case ure best cycle is this---week 1-12 mass amounts of food

K

**mayday9** · 05-05-04, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by num1son
OK so first let me get this right... ure bout 170-180 lbs and u've done a few cycles and ure goal is that baywatch pretty boy look...

if this is right stick to this, prop and tren and mass amts of proteing 500wk/75mg ed/ and a ton of protein... little water retention and fast acting so ure post cycle therapy can start right away...

I dont mean to flame but being 170lbs and have done a few cycles where ure abs arent showing fully kinda tells me that ure prob around 12ish % bf so ure lean mass is around 153 or so... if this is the case ure best cycle is this---week 1-12 mass amounts of food

K

I'm pretty lean everywhere except on the stomach. My bf % should be less than 9 but I'm not sure (used to be 6 three years ago). Never done ECA, clen, or anything for cutting.

I've been "building mass" with proteins + food + hard workouts for 3 years, then did some dianabol tabs and within the past year I've done propionat alone for 40 days, then 2 months off, then propionat (40 days) eod + winstrol (added it in last few days of propionat) then did it solo eod for 2 months

**mayday9** · 05-05-04, 06:13 PM

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**hitmansb** · 05-05-04, 07:37 PM

Sorry, I couldn't resist. You want to be built like these guys?

:rofl:

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