Summer Cycle Advice

[Tiabin]

Hey there,
I'm looking towards the summer and trying to make a decision on a good cycle. It'll be my third cycle and I'm trying to decide on eithor doing a...

1-4WK methyl1test cycle

OOOR...

1-2WK methyl1test
1-6WK test enan.
6-8WK methyl1test (while waiting for esthers to clear)

I already have the methyl1test and I'm pretty sure I don't want to do more than 4weeks of it simply because of the fact that it's 17alk.... What do you guys think? Will the test. enan. add enough benefits to be worth it? I'm not worried about the methyl1test sides (lethargy, etc.) and feel like I can work through them in eithor case... I'm just looking at actual gains and am wondering if it's worth it to go the extra mile to get the test. I do not have a source for HCG (just thought I'd add that... so I would be running only nolva or some other anti-e afterwords).

-- Tiabin

PS: Yeah, I'm new to the forums. :D

[Skyefire]

more info would help here. age hight wieght diet.

M1T does work but the side are a bitch. If your going to do gear then I would do gear and forget the damned M1T. as far as your liver goes you would better off running dbol at 50mg ed for 6weeks and you would gain a whole lot more. did I mention that M1T will shut you down? that is why most people run 2 on 2 off with the M1T.

As for the test you didn't say how much but your not running it long enough. at 4 weeks you have just built up to you dosage leval. if you want 6 weeks then run a shorter ester.

Nolvadex is all you need for everthing. you need to do more research here.

[Tiabin]

Originally posted by Skyefire
more info would help here. age hight wieght diet.

M1T does work but the side are a bitch. If your going to do gear then I would do gear and forget the damned M1T. as far as your liver goes you would better off running dbol at 50mg ed for 6weeks and you would gain a whole lot more. did I mention that M1T will shut you down? that is why most people run 2 on 2 off with the M1T.

As for the test you didn't say how much but your not running it long enough. at 4 weeks you have just built up to you dosage leval. if you want 6 weeks then run a shorter ester.

Nolvadex is all you need for everthing. you need to do more research here.

I weigh 190ish and am around 6' and 24 years... I usually keep a very clean diet while at the same time eating a lot of food (I know a lot is subjective... but it's enough, and I usually keep the carbs fairly low except around workout time).
In all honesty I'm not looking to run dbol... Just don't want that much aromatization. I didn't realize the 2 on 2 off deal with M1T was because it shut you down hard? Figured it was for liver protection. I haven't decided on dosage -- that's why I didn't say.

So what do you recommend? Just running test. prop. by itself? What kind of dosage? What kind of gains should you expect on a test. prop. cycle of 6-8weeks at a decent dosage (without dbol, or M1T for that matter).
Or should I perhaps consider doing a longer cycle and going with enan.? I'm not sure what the benefits are of using a longer esther are, to be honest. I've been lifting for about two years seriously (saw that asked on a few other posts).

[GearTripper]

there's a lot of good info on this board for newbies... my suggestions would be to read read and then read some more.

[JUICE]

why not just do a test-e cycle at 500mgs w eek for 10 weeks, nice gains there.

[Tiabin]

In all honesty I was a little bit afraid of doing ten weeks... Just seems like a long period of time to be on. Why use test-e as opposed to prop.? Is it simply to get away with pinning less often? How long would you run nolva after that, and what kind of dosage (I've not been real sure about this -- does dosage/length stay the same with all lengths of cycles when on PCT, despite the fact that I wouldn't be using HCG?)

[acuman]

gotta agree with juice. 10 weeks test en or cyp, less pinning, consistent gains... Just my opinion, but I think the blood levels are easier to keep even on one of those esters

Its tried and true too. Those tests are so dam popular for a reason - you will get results.

What have you done before? Any good results?

[Tiabin]

Originally posted by acuman
gotta agree with juice. 10 weeks test en or cyp, less pinning, consistent gains... Just my opinion, but I think the blood levels are easier to keep even on one of those esters

Its tried and true too. Those tests are so dam popular for a reason - you will get results.

What have you done before? Any good results?

I've done a 4week of 1test and a 2week of methyl1test.

On a 10 week cycle like that what kind of gains do most expect? And would you *need* to run test. prop the first two weeks/last two weeks with it? Is that neccessary? And as I said earlier... How would you run nolva afterwards? 40 mg for the first two weeks of PCT while esthers clear, then 40, 30, 20, 10 lowering the dose each week?

[JUICE]

Originally posted by Tiabin
I've done a 4week of 1test and a 2week of methyl1test.

On a 10 week cycle like that what kind of gains do most expect? And would you *need* to run test. prop the first two weeks/last two weeks with it? Is that neccessary? And as I said earlier... How would you run nolva afterwards? 40 mg for the first two weeks of PCT while esthers clear, then 40, 30, 20, 10 lowering the dose each week?

u can run the test like this. The Prop in the begining of the cycle for the jumpstart, using it for 4 weeks along with the test-e.
Run it like this:

test-e: 500mgs a week for 10 weeks (weekly shots)

prop: 100-150mgs eod for 4 weeks
and finish off with some prop or winny if u wanna lean out.

do post cycle: clomid and/or nolvadex.

[acuman]

exactly juice...test prop just to kick it off until the longer esters get going. For bigger ones, proviron during the tail end may be used as estrogen conversion builds, but really I only use HCG and clomid post cycle.

Oh ya, the wood from proviron is cool too.

[acuman]

btw, gains vary- 8-10 pounds+ not uncommon for 10 weeks, though a bit of it is just water. All depends on the person. PCT and DONT let off the diet or workout intensity, you will keep some or most of gains

[Skyefire]

Originally posted by Tiabin
I weigh 190ish and am around 6' and 24 years... I usually keep a very clean diet while at the same time eating a lot of food (I know a lot is subjective... but it's enough, and I usually keep the carbs fairly low except around workout time).
In all honesty I'm not looking to run dbol... Just don't want that much aromatization. I didn't realize the 2 on 2 off deal with M1T was because it shut you down hard? Figured it was for liver protection. I haven't decided on dosage -- that's why I didn't say.

So what do you recommend? Just running test. prop. by itself? What kind of dosage? What kind of gains should you expect on a test. prop. cycle of 6-8weeks at a decent dosage (without dbol, or M1T for that matter).
Or should I perhaps consider doing a longer cycle and going with enan.? I'm not sure what the benefits are of using a longer esther are, to be honest. I've been lifting for about two years seriously (saw that asked on a few other posts).

LOL, bro I am NOT sugesting that you do dbol like that, I was making a point about the M1T. and it is for the liver damage as well as the shutdown (more the liver though).

The primary benifet to using the longer ester is less pinning and better (sometimes) gains over time. the cons are long cycle times and slow build up (take about 4 to 5 weeks for test e to build up)

Test prop is pobably my fav but I don't mind injecting ED or EOD. If you are SURE that you don't mind the pinning a short test prop cycle would be great. 75mg ed or 150 EOD would give you good gains and little bloat. and you only have to wait a week before your pct. If you only wanted a 6 week cycle this would be my choice.

But I do like JUICE's best for a test only. simple, don't have to wait a month for the test to kick in and after 4 weeks you only pin twice a week.