Does IGF-1 Long 3 work?

[Bouncer]

Im sure it does work for some people. As for me, well I have got nothing from it. Im not sure why some respond and some dont. I respond to GH just fine so it dosent make sence to me. I mean isnt the fat lose and muscle gain from GH supposed to be from the IGF-1 increse? Why would I not respond to IGF-1 but respond great to HGH? Someone please explain that to me?

[Bouncer]

Originally posted by Scorpio
I did it alone on a bridge, usind a 4-4-4 scheme. Insulin 4 weeks, igf 4 weeks, insulin 4 weeks. I saw great results, noticed increased insulin sensitivity coming off it and going to insulin.

Well my question to you then is, how do you know that you saw any change physicly from the IGF? I mean is it possable that it was the slin that gave you the results. Like sana says, it always seems to be people on AS or slin or GH that seem to see something from IGF. I have never seen someone get great results from this product alone. Im not saying it dosent work just asking questions so we all can learn.

[sana]

Originally posted by THE BOUNCER
Im sure it does work for some people. As for me, well I have got nothing from it. Im not sure why some respond and some dont. I respond to GH just fine so it dosent make sence to me. I mean isnt the fat lose and muscle gain from GH supposed to be from the IGF-1 increse? Why would I not respond to IGF-1 but respond great to HGH? Someone please explain that to me?

that's what sootybaby is saying - that the mechanism which works in the body to respond to the IGF-1 increase from GH does not work for the IGF-1 Long b/c the IGF-1 Long has been altered and therefore does not bind to the protein which recognizes the IGF-1.

he's effectively saying - IGF-1 works but in principle, IGF-1 Long won't b/c it has nothing to bind to.

[Bouncer]

Originally posted by sana
that's what sootybaby is saying - that the mechanism which works in the body to respond to the IGF-1 increase from GH does not work for the IGF-1 Long b/c the IGF-1 Long has been altered and therefore does not bind to the protein which recognizes the IGF-1.

he's effectively saying - IGF-1 works but in principle, IGF-1 Long won't b/c it has nothing to bind to.

Yes I know but im going by real world effects instead of by the books. Alot of people will dismiss what he is saying as oppinion but im here to say that its not just oppinion, its a fact as far as my body goes in how it responds. Thats why I thought I should say that.

[Scorpio]

Originally posted by THE BOUNCER
Well my question to you then is, how do you know that you saw any change physicly from the IGF? I mean is it possable that it was the slin that gave you the results. Like sana says, it always seems to be people on AS or slin or GH that seem to see something from IGF. I have never seen someone get great results from this product alone. Im not saying it dosent work just asking questions so we all can learn.

Because I used it alone the insulin was before and after the igf.

[Bouncer]

Originally posted by Scorpio
Because I used it alone the insulin was before and after the igf.

Sorry bro but im not following. Your saying you used the IGF all alone? Sorry if im not making any sence, I just had my slin shot about an hour ago and im sucking down my chicken and rice. :p

[sana]

Originally posted by Scorpio
Because I used it alone the insulin was before and after the igf.

what were the results alone from the IGF-1 Long? did you take measurements? was it fat loss, increase in size, increase in weight, or increase in strength? just curious.

[Scorpio]

Sorry bro but im not following. Your saying you used the IGF all alone? Sorry if im not making any sence, I just had my slin shot about an hour ago and im sucking down my chicken and rice

Right, post cycle I started out with 4 weeks of slin, after that 4 weeks of igf (alone), then to 4 weeks of slin.

what were the results alone from the IGF-1 Long? did you take measurements? was it fat loss, increase in size, increase in weight, or increase in strength? just curious.

I saw a maintenance of strength (post cycle.) Severe pumps, hunger increase, Fat loss yet, weight maintained. I know a lot of people who had great results with it.

[Bouncer]

Like I said, im sure some do respond but can you answer my question scorpio? How can I respond so great to HGH and yet at the same time be a "non-responder" to IGF?

[Scorpio]

Originally posted by sana
that's what sootybaby is saying - that the mechanism which works in the body to respond to the IGF-1 increase from GH does not work for the IGF-1 Long b/c the IGF-1 Long has been altered and therefore does not bind to the protein which recognizes the IGF-1.

he's effectively saying - IGF-1 works but in principle, IGF-1 Long won't b/c it has nothing to bind to.

That was one of the reasons LR3 was develpoed. Regular IGF has a short life in the body due to binding proteins

Long R3 IGF-1 is signifacantly more potent than IGF-1. The enhanced potency is due to the decreased binding of Long R3 IGF-1 to all known IGF binding proteins. These binding proteins normally inhibit the biological actions of IGF's

[Scorpio]

Originally posted by THE BOUNCER
Like I said, im sure some do respond but can you answer my question scorpio? How can I respond so great to HGH and yet at the same time be a "non-responder" to IGF?

The million dollar question bro, I don't have an answer. There are a lot of theories floating around, it will take someone smarter than me to answer...

[Bouncer]

Originally posted by Scorpio
The million dollar question bro, I don't have an answer. There are a lot of theories floating around, it will take someone smarter than me to answer...

And like I said bro, im not here to say it dosent work for anyone. I have read alot of people post that love it. We are all here to learn and thats what were doing. I thank you for taking the time to answer some questions bro.

[Scorpio]

anytime, I made a log of my 4-4-4 perhaps sometime I shall copy/paste it for a read. I don't have all the answers to this product, one of my mods, LA, is much better versed in it compared to me.

[sana]

Originally posted by Scorpio
That was one of the reasons LR3 was develpoed. Regular IGF has a short life in the body due to binding proteins

Long R3 IGF-1 is signifacantly more potent than IGF-1. The enhanced potency is due to the decreased binding of Long R3 IGF-1 to all known IGF binding proteins. These binding proteins normally inhibit the biological actions of IGF's

i'm not sure i follow.

if the proteins IGF need to bind to in order to function are inhibited by making the IGF into the long version, how does it make the Long more effective?

[Skyefire]

Originally posted by sana
i'm not sure i follow.

if the proteins IGF need to bind to in order to function are inhibited by making the IGF into the long version, how does it make the Long more effective?

The same way that prop is more efective then test supspention I think. someone correct me if I am wrong but the half life of igf is so short that if you don't do something to it that it will break down before the body can make use of it.