The boyz have shrunk

[BILLBIXBY]

I'am currently running PCT after coming off a 12-week cycle of 300mg week Deca
500mg week Susty
test prop last 4 weeks 100mg eod

Currently taking clomid 50mg ed
dhea 250 mg ed
proviron 50mg ed
tribulus 500mg ed
post cycle from PROTEINFACTORY its a multisupplement with all kinds of shit to help you post cycle = milk thistle, 5,7dihydroxyflavone
r-ala
epemedium
etc....

been doing this for almost two weeks now my sex drive is down and boyz won't come back what do I need to do?????

[Jarconis]

correct me if im wrong, but I think DHEA is gonna shut ya down bro...

[Skyefire]

drop the proviron and the dhea. should have used HCG. Go read this http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...ghlight=SWALES

[jipped genes]

also i am sure the PCT you are taking for the protein factory is swell but what happened to nolva or clomid? and after deca i always use hcg. i have used proviron post cycle but at half that dose just to keep my androgens up. even at 25 mg ed its still slightly suppresive

[BILLBIXBY]

Now please correct me if i'am wrong but on a another board they have a gainskeeper formula that says take all of these supplements ( exc proviron) but i have rerad that proviron will increase libidio that's why i'am taking all of the rest
is what they reccomend and its a solid board . However, this is my first cycle over six weeks and I appreciate all advice
thanks alot
Bill

[psyko1]

proviron's good for libido but i don't think it'll get your boys back. mine have been gone for about 11 weeks now. so it'll be nice of them to join me over the course of the next few weeks.

[dbol]

I just came off 8 weeks of tren at 100mg per day and I shot 5000iu hcg last week and 3000iu this week and my boys are as fat and happy as ever. I will finish with one more 2000iu in 5 days and use a shit load of nolvadex and armidex to get test levels to return. I have clomid too but will only use as a back up to nolvadex.
You shouldn't start a cycle with out all the necessary items to come off with.
hcg, nolvadex, and armidex are necessities!
Remember every two pounds you loose is equal to a month of hard gear free training.

[decadan]

HCG all the way Bro!

[Skyefire]

I am getting the distinct inpression

That noone reads the links people post. Please note the part about any more than 500IU of HCG per day being potentiually toxic to the boys.

Origional link used: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/show...swales+protocol

Since this is the current hot topic, I figured I would post this:



Since I've been hanging out here a bit lately, I've been getting quite a few emails from guys wanting individualized advice on their cycles. In the first place, I cannot design cycles, nor do I prescribe steroids (just ancillary medications). That would be a violation of my Oath as a physician, and DEA law to boot. Also, obviously I cannot afford to give away free Consultations. So, I'll post my PCT Protocols here, for anyone who may choose to use them.

Also, I'm just running to catch a plane for Las Vegas, attending the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine International Conference. I guess they are supposed to publish an article I wrote on how to administer TRT for men. Wish me luck!

Here it is:

I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.

Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid-induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).

If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn’t enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldn’t mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.

The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex, is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERM’s at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of AAS (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as well.

I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel, or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a “bridge”. Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you can’t “fool” the body—it is smarter than you are.

I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground—and we don’t want that, do we?).

All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible (the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are recovering faster than when they have tried other protocols.