Shut down with no gains?

[K-Boom]

Is it possible that some substances could shut down endogeneous testosterone, yet not have much of an anabolic effect? Or is do the two things pretty much go hand in hand?

Do products like M1T or 1-AD really work? Are they really as anabolic as they say? Do they "shut you down" and cause sides like testicular atrophy? Anyone have experience with them?

[r_deese]

M1t and 1-ad both work, they do shut down test production and that is what PCT is for. You won't experience atrophy unless you were to stay on cycle for months at a time and use no PCT to bring them back to normal. You really need to read alot. Use the search button up there and search for some answers on this site. Most everything u will be able to find within seconds.

[K-Boom]

How well do they work? What's a realistic expectation in muscle mass gains, for a 195 lb male training two to three times a week with plenty to eat, over one or two 4 week cycles?

Do these products work as well as something like testosterone cypionate? They claim to, but I am skeptical.

[the_inkslinger]

NO .. they dont work as well as REAL stuff. Do they work ? Yeah they work, but I think you will ahve to take a higher dose than what they say. I plan on trying the M-1 test soon. I think bigpetefox hadsome experience with that.. or one of the bros on the board.. search for it

[GearTripper]

Originally posted by K-Boom
Do these products work as well as something like testosterone cypionate? They claim to, but I am skeptical.

if they worked as well as real AS; there wouldn't be a market/need for AS anymore... so NO, they don't :)

[Skyefire]

Re: Shut down with no gains?

Originally posted by K-Boom
Is it possible that some substances could shut down endogeneous testosterone, yet not have much of an anabolic effect? Or is do the two things pretty much go hand in hand?

Do products like M1T or 1-AD really work? Are they really as anabolic as they say? Do they "shut you down" and cause sides like testicular atrophy? Anyone have experience with them?

M1T did what running fina + deca could not do, shut me down hard. Imo for the liver toxicity ( running M1T is as bad or maybe worse then running 5 times the amount of drol) I have been told that running 4 weeks of M1T at 20mg ed is as bad as running 8 weeks of drol at 100mg ed.

But yes, M1T does work athougn probably not as advertized.

[lxorl]

i use M1T 2 weeks on 2 off..... nothing spectacular... but it works. usually put on a few lb. slight strength increase.

my muscles harden.

i never used PCt with M1t due to my 2 on 2 off way of cycling it.

[Timma]

Different people have different results. I'm running a cycle of m1t now. I'll let you know how it turns out. As for shut down, you need to run some 4-ad with the m1t. Like lxorl said only run it 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.

[r_deese]

Read this thread- http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...threadid=16598

[NotMe]

what brand of M1T are the majority of people having the best results on? last year i did a few Biotest Mag10 cycles and have very good results, however it seems that it no longer has an effect as it once did.