help finding painfree oil

[dbol]

I would rather purchase oil in a large quantity or cheap small quantity. I read a post by skyfire saying that Loriva canola oil comes out painless. I am obviously concerned with sterility with choosing an oil. Can you just get any health store oil and use it? (canola, sawflower, etc) or should I just pay for the sterile oil from a supplier?
I am going to make some sustanon and also a batch of equipoise and I would like to make the sustanon painless if possible.
thanks

[Skyefire]

Well I am not sure why anyone would want to make sustanon as you can make better blends your self and at higher mg/ml. ( A friend of mine made 500mg test, painless, buy using 12.5grams test iso, test e, test cyp, and test deca for 100ml using 3% BA and 12% BB with grapeseed oil)

Don't worry about buying the oil sterile, worry about whats in it, has it been processed in any way (some sesiseme oil is tosted), and does it have any perseritives in it (there is more often then you know. ) USP or NF is gooing to be your best bet of course.

To insure sterility use a high quaulity .2 micron (whatmen is king) and at least 2.5% BA, 3 to 5 being better.

If your going to run a test/EQ cycle then why not just run the simular esters? in this case the test deca has almost the same half live as the EQ and both are easy to make in a combo. Say you want to run 600mg test and 400mg eq then you could make a combo of 300mg test deca and 200mg EQ for 500mg. That is an easy 2 cc a week, ether all at once or 1 cc twice a week. JMO

[dbol]

thanks for the info but I already sent for the powders. I like sustanon because It works well for me and makes me horny as hell! I don't hold much water on it like I do on enanthate. One question?
what is test deca?
Is it a combonation of enanthate and deca?
thanks.

[Skyefire]

Originally posted by dbol
thanks for the info but I already sent for the powders. I like sustanon because It works well for me and makes me horny as hell! I don't hold much water on it like I do on enanthate. One question?
what is test deca?
Is it a combonation of enanthate and deca?
thanks.

Testosterone Decanoate, test with a deca esters, as oposed to Nandrolone Decanoate witch is common refer to as deca. It is the longest ester in sustanon if recolection serves me.

[dbol]

Originally posted by Skyefire
Testosterone Decanoate, test with a deca esters, as oposed to Nandrolone Decanoate witch is common refer to as deca. It is the longest ester in sustanon if recolection serves me.

I think I am following you now.
so If I were to make an EQ/test deca combo would I make the eq at 200mg strength first and then add the test deca powder and extra ba/bb and then refilter?

I would be making 50cc of it.
can you suggest a thread that may have the directions?
thanks

[Skyefire]

Originally posted by dbol
I think I am following you now.
so If I were to make an EQ/test deca combo would I make the eq at 200mg strength first and then add the test deca powder and extra ba/bb and then refilter?

I would be making 50cc of it.
can you suggest a thread that may have the directions?
thanks

Like this for 50ml at 500mg/ml

15 grams of test deca
10 grams of EQ
1.5 ml of BA
6 ml of BA
around 22ml of grapeseed oil

Mix your powders and solvents an swirl around til fullu desolved (use heat to go faster) then add all but about 8ml of your oil. mix well and filter though a .2 micron filter. Use the remaining oil to fluch your filter and to fill to volume, Easy as cake

[dbol]

Originally posted by Skyefire
Like this for 50ml at 500mg/ml

15 grams of test deca
10 grams of EQ
1.5 ml of BA
6 ml of BA
around 22ml of grapeseed oil

Mix your powders and solvents an swirl around til fullu desolved (use heat to go faster) then add all but about 8ml of your oil. mix well and filter though a .2 micron filter. Use the remaining oil to fluch your filter and to fill to volume, Easy as cake

Two questions:
1. where to find grapeseed oil? healthfood store or internet? any particular brand you like?
2. Can I use grapeseed oil for all experiments.
thanks

[dbol]

do you have any ideas as to what I can use the remainder of my sustanon ingredients in?
I have
6gm prop.
12 gm phenyl prop
12 gm isocaproate.
20 gm deconate
20 gm bold undec.
I know I can make prop from prop but can I also use the iso and pheny in a sensible combo somehow?

[Skyefire]

sure. Iso is kinda cool. shorter then test e or cyp but still long enough for a twice a week shot.

you also have what you need for making sustanon 100
6grams of prop
12grams of Pprop
12grams of iso
9ml of BA
36ml of BB
around 231 ml of oil

for the same at 200 (should be alright actually, blened esters):
6grams of prop
12grams of Pprop
12grams of iso
4.5ml of BA
18ml of BB
around 104ml of oil.

I would save the test deca for the EQ
JM2C

[Skyefire]

Originally posted by dbol
Two questions:
1. where to find grapeseed oil? healthfood store or internet? any particular brand you like?
2. Can I use grapeseed oil for all experiments.
thanks

Just pure, unmessed with grapeseed works well. seseme wroks too or cottonseed oil is good. Get any of them over the internet, health store or the like. If you want cheap USP grade oils (this is bulk supplies for use, they sell in quarts) go to http://www.lemelange.com/. your making enough for this to be werthwhile but keep in mind that you are going to get more then you can ever use here.

[dbol]

skyfire you are the best!
what would be the best way to inject sustanon 200 to keep blood levels as even as possible?
also,
I plan on using a new clean muffin pan. I will alcohol wipe the chambers first then add in the ba and bb with the shortest esters first add a little oil and dissolve the mix while heating. (I assume that I can put the entire ba bb ammount in right away even though all the powder isn't added at once.) Once it looks dissolved I will add the next ester with some oil and repeat until everything is dissolved. I will leave out some oil for the end to purge the filter.
would 250 degrees be appropriate for this?
also, do I need to stir the mix to aid in the dissolving of the powder?
I have only made fina and prop from pellets so far so this is relatively new but I did take chemistry and microbiology so I feel confident that I can do this if the directions are clear enough.
I will after dissolving prefilter with a doubled up coffee filter and then go straight to the .20 micron filter. I will then heat the end product in boiling water for 8 minutes and slowly cool the solution in the sink.
sound good or am I way off?
thanks

[Skyefire]

In theory Sustanon 100 should be a twice a week shot. Having said that I would say at least 3x a week (Mon, Wed, Fri) or better yet EOD. The Phenyl Propionate is the problem here, it is suppose to have a longer half life of around 6 to 7 days, putting it in the middle of the Test Isocaproate (9 to 9.5 days) and the Test Propionate (4 to 5 days). The problem with this is that if we look at the actual clinical half life of Nandrolone Phenyl Propionate its not even close to that, if I recall correctly it was almost the same as propionate. I have no reason to think that the Test Phenyl Propionate will be any different. While this doesn’t actually change much (the average half life is still going to be around 5.5 to 6 days instead of 6 to 7 days) it does kill the twice a week schedule IMO as well as getting rid of the notion of “smooth blending of esters” This is one reason I am not over fond of Sustanon, that and mixing in an ester that 4 times as long as half of your mixture. JMO (boy, I think I over killed that question LOL)

You have the right idea all right but I not sure what you mean by the muffin pan. At any rate you might want to invest in a Pyrex Beaker, 50 or 100ml and a glass stir rod. The stir rods are cheap and you can get the Pyrex beaker for around 20 buck. I usually put mine over a candle. You can also just use a empty glass vial and put in the oven (250 is fine, no need to go over that for anything.). No need to pre filter unless you have something in your powders, once you have your solution then just go ahead and filter.

As always it is advisable to try a small batch first and test it out for pain or any other problems. Good luck.