Which way would you start your bulking cycle?

[rvgfrth4g]

Ok, I'm contemplating 2 different ways of starting out my bulking cycle for this winter. I'm wanting some feedback on which you think would be best to start it.

Example 1:
1-6 wk Dbol 30mg/ed
1-3 wk Prop 100mg/ed
4-12wk Enanthate 1,000mg/wk
1-14wk Fina 100mg/ed

Example 2:
1-6 Dbol 30mg/ed
1-3 Prop 100mg/ed
1-12 Enanthate 1,000mg/wk
1-14 Fina 100mg/ed


The only difference each cycle is only small. The difference is starting the Enathate after the Prop or from the very begining with the Prop. I was thinking if I ran the Enanthate from the very begining along with the Prop that might be to much in my system. But it takes 3 weeks for Enanthate to kick in so I thought maybe not..

[Stonecold54]

Re: Which way would you start your bulking cycle?

Originally posted by BigRed54
Ok, I'm contemplating 2 different ways of starting out my bulking cycle for this winter. I'm wanting some feedback on which you think would be best to start it.

Example 1:
1-6 wk Dbol 30mg/ed
1-3 wk Prop 100mg/ed
4-12wk Enanthate 1,000mg/wk
1-14wk Fina 100mg/ed

Example 2:
1-6 Dbol 30mg/ed
1-3 Prop 100mg/ed
1-12 Enanthate 1,000mg/wk
1-14 Fina 100mg/ed


The only difference each cycle is only small. The difference is starting the Enathate after the Prop or from the very begining with the Prop. I was thinking if I ran the Enanthate from the very begining along with the Prop that might be to much in my system. But it takes 3 weeks for Enanthate to kick in so I thought maybe not..

use number two. But I honestly would leave the Dbol out. Test and tren should be a fine cycle and with the fina and prop in there you won't need any type of jump start and i don't feel it will give you any more gains than the test alone.

[goliath]

i like #2...#1 kinda defeats the purpose of front-loading.

[shortz]

Why would yuou wait until week 4 to start your enanthate? Just start it week 1. The enanthate ester will take a couple weeks to build up anyway.

[shortz]

Ignore the question I asked above. I jumped the gun and didn't see your explanation. I still say start the enanthate week 1 though.

[rvgfrth4g]

I thought Example 2 would probably be best since it takes awhile for the Enathate to kick in. I didn't think about dropping the Dbol. But actually that wouldn't be a bad idea. Cause Dbol makes me VERY sluggish and raises my blood pressure through the roof. Its just old habbit to stack Dbol for my winter cycles.

[bigpetefox]

With the prop and tren, you won't really need the dbol to jump.. Drop the D, you'll be fine.. ;)

[rvgfrth4g]

Right now for my cutting cycle I'm currently running 500mg Prop/wk, 400mg Enanthate, 600mg Fina/wk along with Liquidex.

The Breakdown:
I'm running 100mg Prop/eod which makes 400mg a wk. I'm also running 500mg (2cc) of Aratest (which has 50mg Prop/cc). So i'm getting an extra 100mg Prop from the Aratest. And then of course the 400mg Enathate from Aratest. Also running Fina 150mg/eod. I'm not doing any cardio on this cutting cycle but i am eating clean and just by doing that i've been getting lean and big. I can tell the fina has helped out ALOT with keeping me lean.

With my winter cycle I plan on hitting Humalog to help put on some extra weight.

[Red Rocket]

I would go with 2 also

[GearTripper]

Re: Which way would you start your bulking cycle?

Originally posted by BigRed54

Example 1:
1-6 wk Dbol 30mg/ed
1-3 wk Prop 100mg/ed
4-12wk Enanthate 1,000mg/wk
1-14wk Fina 100mg/ed

Example 2:
1-6 Dbol 30mg/ed
1-3 Prop 100mg/ed
1-12 Enanthate 1,000mg/wk
1-14 Fina 100mg/ed

#2 hands down... i agree with what pete said above - the dbol would basically be overkill with the prop and fina. also as others have said, run the Enanthate from the beginning as it will take a few weeks to "get into" your system. now a few questions... i'm not sure of your current stats? why the high doses of test? if you're gonna bulk, have you thought about Deca? it seems as though you have a lot of "cutting" agents in this cycle for your goals being to "bulk".

[GearTripper]

the more i think about this... not knowing your cycle history or current stats - i would go soo far as to suggest a bulking cycle using only test, dbol, and deca. basic "old school" and it works.

another cycle suggestion would be to incorporate:

Anadrol
Sustanon
Deca
Dianabol (dbol)
Primobolan

[rvgfrth4g]

Re: Re: Which way would you start your bulking cycle?

Originally posted by GearTripper
#2 hands down... i agree with what pete said above - the dbol would basically be overkill with the prop and fina. also as others have said, run the Enanthate from the beginning as it will take a few weeks to "get into" your system. now a few questions... i'm not sure of your current stats? why the high doses of test? if you're gonna bulk, have you thought about Deca? it seems as though you have a lot of "cutting" agents in this cycle for your goals being to "bulk".

My current stats are, 25yrs old, 5'10", 210lbs, juiced for 8 yrs. I don't use Deca casue it gave me gyno. And dummy me had to make sure, so i tried it again and yes Deca definitely gives me gyno. Now it sounds like you're getting mixed up with my orginal post about my next winter cycle and my current cutting cycle I stated a few posts later?

[GearTripper]

Re: Re: Re: Which way would you start your bulking cycle?

Originally posted by BigRed54
I don't use Deca casue it gave me gyno. And dummy me had to make sure, so i tried it again and yes Deca definitely gives me gyno.

have you run Adex and/or Ndex before with the deca? i'm also prone to gyno when running Deca, but not until about the 12 week mark. at that point i start Ndex at 40mg/day until the gyno subsides and then continue with 20mg/day til the end.

[rvgfrth4g]

Originally posted by GearTripper
the more i think about this... not knowing your cycle history or current stats - i would go soo far as to suggest a bulking cycle using only test, dbol, and deca. basic "old school" and it works.

another cycle suggestion would be to incorporate:

Anadrol
Sustanon
Deca
Dianabol (dbol)
Primobolan

True old school cycles are great. I've done many of them in past cycle. Now here's my reasons on not using the other compounds you suggested. 1st off my body reacts better to Dbol than Drol but then i get really high blood pressure from both and its makes me worthless for doing any daily activites (I get real fucking lazy). Sus is just over priced Test. Can't use Deca casue it gives me gyno. And well Primo is to damn expensive. lol Also another stacker you forgot was EQ. Well with EQ I use to use it and it works well but I have no trouble eating alot in bulking season. And with EQ it makes me eat the whole fucking house and it gets ridiculous and all that enourmous amount of calories makes me to fat even for a bulking cycle. Cause i'm somone that always carries some fat and its easy for me to get even fatter.

So really instead of adding 1 of those other compounds i'd rather just up my test. And for me being the body type that always carries some fat. The Fina works wonders for me on cutting or bulking. It makes me strong as hell keeps me lean even if i'm not eating great. And for some reason its like fire in me and i've got a ton of energy unlike when i take Dbol and i'm like a slug.

So I figured i'd go with example 2. And up my calories from my current cutting cycle and hit the humalog for 6wks (During the middle of the cycle).

[rvgfrth4g]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Which way would you start your bulking cycle?

Originally posted by GearTripper
have you run Adex and/or Ndex before with the deca? i'm also prone to gyno when running Deca, but not until about the 12 week mark. at that point i start Ndex at 40mg/day until the gyno subsides and then continue with 20mg/day til the end.

I have to run Liquidex on every cycle. Cause since I naturally carry some fat then when I don't use an Anti-E's I just look like fucking shit. I also run the Nolva on EVERY cycle at 40mg/ed since i had my run in with the gyno. And I ran the Nolva at 20mg and it didn't do a thing in stopping it. You see all my cycle for years never included Deca, i just basically ran Test/Dbol for years. Well just only 2 years ago i decided to try Deca. I hit 600mg of QV Deca and BLAME before i knew it it was growing not to long after that 2nd shot. At first I thought to myself there is no way it could be from that cause it takes wks for Deca to kick in. So I brushed it off like it was nothing and come time for my next injection of the Deca and I hit 600mg and the gyno got even bigger just days after. And I was running at that time 20mg Nolva. And I never hit Deca after those 2 injections and the gyno kept growing for the next 4 wks (Cause it took so long for it to leave my system). And finally it quite growing but stayed the same size until a few monthes after my cycle enede and the gyno went back down.

So for now on I take Nolva at 40mg/ed just to be safe. And i'll never run Deca again even though I think its weird how the gyno sprouted just only days after my 1st injection. I figured it would come on later maybe after my 2nd injection since it takes so long to get in your system. But I wasn't only but running 500mg of Test at the time so it wasn't any unsual amount of gear i was already injecting. I also was taking liquidex the whole time.