interested in feedback on test cyp and test enth

[Primal Instinct]

I'm interested in hearing from others out there who have used both cypionate and enthanate for bulking. The two compounds seem so similar; ie., long acting esters, similar effects at same dosages, etc... So who likes which one better and why? I'm primarily interested in those who have used it as a stand alone or not stacked with anything else.

[7lok4]

I have...and are currently taking it alone. What do you want to know?

[7lok4]

(cyp alone)

[Primal Instinct]

Have you also used enthanate at the same dosage? I was hoping for a comparison, ie. water retention, inject smoothness, etc... Basically, I'm trying to figure out what the real difference is- if anyone even notices one at all. This may determine a winter bulking cycle for me, if I choose to go with a test cycle, that is.

[Shibby]

Alot of it can depend on the batch also. I would look more at wheather or not you want human or vet grade, how many mg you want to run, how much you want to inject at one time, all compared to your availabilty.

[Skyefire]

Re: interested in feedback on test cyp and test enth

Originally posted by Primal Instinct
I'm interested in hearing from others out there who have used both cypionate and enthanate for bulking. The two compounds seem so similar; ie., long acting esters, similar effects at same dosages, etc... So who likes which one better and why? I'm primarily interested in those who have used it as a stand alone or not stacked with anything else.

In thoery they should be the same. In practice people seam to react differntly to differt esters. Some people that bloat badly tend not to bloat so bad on cyp as they do test e. Bad reactions to injections are (not commen to begin with) are less likely with test e then cyp.

Some rummer that should be dispelled.
test e is more painful then test cyp. false. If you have equal grades of the raw materials then they are the same. I think the orgiion of this one is that the cyp powder tends to be a better quality. (being a paste at room temp can be a problem)

test e stinks. True, if but read above. the acids used (Hexanoic, octanoic, and decanoic) for the medium to long esters are named afer goats due to the smell. So if you have a ester that is a little harder to purify then the others then you are probably going to have more residue acids then the others.

Test cyp gives you more keepable gains. False. It may give you less bloat (highly debatable) but test is test by and large and the results should be very simalar.

[Severedties]

I have been running Test Cyp, at 500 mg a week for the past 6 weeks, and have put on roughly 20 pounds. I am very pleased with the results thus far, however I have never tried Test Enan, so this is not very objective.

[blm]

Originally posted by Shibby
Alot of it can depend on the batch also. I would look more at wheather or not you want human or vet grade, how many mg you want to run, how much you want to inject at one time, all compared to your availabilty.

Have you ever used AAS?

[Shibby]

Yes

[blm]

ok

[Shibby]

Glad I could satisfy your curiosity.

[Primal Instinct]

So there's really not any difference in gains- all other things being equal- and possibly a slight difference in water retention. I will probably go with QFS's test enth at 400mg a week for 12- 16 weeks and possibly some letrozole to keep the water retention at bay. I still need to work out how much letrozole to reduce the water but still have enough estrogen floating around to promote gains. I would prefer a long acting ester but should I front load this cycle with something else or just leave it alone and just wait it out for results? I really want a test only cycle to establish a baseline of results and/or possibly reactions so I don't want to add d-bol or EQ or anything like that.

[Skyefire]

Originally posted by Primal Instinct
So there's really not any difference in gains- all other things being equal- and possibly a slight difference in water retention. I will probably go with QFS's test enth at 400mg a week for 12- 16 weeks and possibly some letrozole to keep the water retention at bay. I still need to work out how much letrozole to reduce the water but still have enough estrogen floating around to promote gains. I would prefer a long acting ester but should I front load this cycle with something else or just leave it alone and just wait it out for results? I really want a test only cycle to establish a baseline of results and/or possibly reactions so I don't want to add d-bol or EQ or anything like that.

not a bad idea at all for a first cycle. Letrozole is probably going to be too strong for what your doing though. I would save the letro for things like 1.5gram plus cycles with dbol or drol. It is just total overkill for a small dose test only cycle.

Nolvadex 10mg ed is probably all you would need if you even devolop a problem. If you really want a AI then stick to proviron as it is much milder then the letro or ldex.

We really need your stats though for dosage reasons. 400 is kinda at the low end for a test only cycle

[Primal Instinct]

Originally posted by Skyefire
not a bad idea at all for a first cycle. Letrozole is probably going to be too strong for what your doing though. I would save the letro for things like 1.5gram plus cycles with dbol or drol. It is just total overkill for a small dose test only cycle.

Nolvadex 10mg ed is probably all you would need if you even devolop a problem. If you really want a AI then stick to proviron as it is much milder then the letro or ldex.

We really need your stats though for dosage reasons. 400 is kinda at the low end for a test only cycle

I am currently at 180lbs, 5'-10" and definitely NOT a kid (but I still look young), lol. I'm relatively lean everywhere except for some adipose fat around the abdomen which will be addressed with cardio. I'd estimate that I'm currently around 16% (net result) because of the ab fat. I've been lazy as of the last year with cardio, lol. By the time I start my bulking cycle I'll probably be in the 185lb range with substantially less bodyfat. I'll be taking in 1.5 to 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight daily and eating moderate carbs. Flax, natural peanut butter, & CLA for fats. I have intermediate weight training experience and I seem to put mass on fairly well, especially on my arms and legs. They grow crazy for me. However, due to my current financial circumstances, I have not been eating as clean as I should nor am I taking in enough calories in the last few months so obviously, I have lost some muscle mass overall. I'm probably only taking in around 2200-2400 calories ED right now :( This is why I'm planning this cycle for fall when the work situation becomes a bit more stable and I'm eating better. Workwise, if things turn out like I expect, I won't be in a catabolic state anymore and will be able to maintain my gains and build on them with future cycles.

Training will consist of low rep, high intensity lifts on all bodyparts (5-8 reps but focusing more on TUT in the neighborhood of between 1 & 1-1/2 minutes under load). Using between two to three exercises per bodypart and only 1 set per exercise, ie., for chest- 1 set benching movement, 1 set of flies, & 1 set of weighted dips. I also am a proponent of the type of training that Stonecold advises and feel it works well for me. I just took 3 weeks off from any serious training as a mental refreshener. I think that it was much needed and will help me focus more now on my new goals.

My goals consist of building lean mass and dropping bodyfat down around 10% or so while upping strength. I'd like to finish up with PCT and weigh in the neighborhood of 200lbs. I feel that this is a realistic goal. I'm seriously considering a 1st timer run at a local/regional bodybuilding show if all goes well. Posing will be a whole other issue, lol.

I estimated approximately 400mgs of test each week because I didn't want to go too high until I know how much it affects me yet I realize that the best gains I'll ever see will probably be from my first cycle. This will be my first inject cycle. Prior to this, I have only done oral cycles with 1-AD/4-AD, S1+, and M-1T with good results. Unfortunately, after some period of time, I eventually lost the gains due to either overworking/lack of sleep or seriously undereating. This time things will be under much more controlled circumstances of my own making aka I'm self-employed now. Were you thinking of running the Test in the 500-600mgs range? This is why I'm posting here- for some experienced bros' opinions. I appreciate any and all advice on these matters.

I should mention here that I plan on PCT using Nolvadex but probably not Clomid. I doubt that I'll be shut down THAT hard to warrant HCG either. Everything will be in hand before the cycle will begin. After PCT, I plan on maintaining for a few weeks to allow my body to get used to its new setpoint and follow up with a cutter (for the bodybuilding show). I don't really want to get below 8% bodyfat though because I honestly feel that I won't have the strict discipline to maintain that kind of dedication that others in the sport have. I can really respect the sacrifice and discipline it takes for one to achieve competition level fitness. Who knows, I might just get hooked on it ;)