Different First Cycle- Fellas Need Your Help, PLEASE....

[Millineum Man]

Guys, I need your input before purchasing the items for my First Cycle. I'm 30 years old and have been training off and on for 13 years, the last 2 years, seriously. Right now, I'm dieting naturally trying to get down to 6'3" 230lbs and 8-9% bodyfat before starting my cycle. Presently, I'm 250lbs and 15% bodyfat. My goal with this cycle is not typical, since I'm not looking to gain 25-30lbs like most. I'm looking to add a hard, dense, vascular look to my physique while adding 5-10lbs. I want to keep the doses in check with this being my First Cycle. Here's what I had in mind.

Test Enanthate@500mgs for weeks 1-4
Test Enanthate@375mgs for weeks 5-10
Winstrol Tabs@50mgs ED for weeks 5-12
Proviron@25mgs ED for weeks 1-12

I also plan on taking Liver Protectants(Tyler's & R-ALA) and loads of Glucomsamine/Chondroitin for the "possible" joint pain from the Winstrol. The cycle looks conservative when compared to others, which is exactly what I want. Let me know what you think. I wanted to get as MANY opinions as possible. Thanks!!

[Skyefire]

Re: Different First Cycle- Fellas Need Your Help, PLEASE....

Originally posted by Millineum Man
Guys, I need your input before purchasing the items for my First Cycle. I'm 30 years old and have been training off and on for 13 years, the last 2 years, seriously. Right now, I'm dieting naturally trying to get down to 6'3" 230lbs and 8-9% bodyfat before starting my cycle. Presently, I'm 250lbs and 15% bodyfat. My goal with this cycle is not typical, since I'm not looking to gain 25-30lbs like most. I'm looking to add a hard, dense, vascular look to my physique while adding 5-10lbs. I want to keep the doses in check with this being my First Cycle. Here's what I had in mind.

Test Enanthate@500mgs for weeks 1-4
Test Enanthate@375mgs for weeks 5-10
Winstrol Tabs@50mgs ED for weeks 5-12
Proviron@25mgs ED for weeks 1-12

I also plan on taking Liver Protectants(Tyler's & R-ALA) and loads of Glucomsamine/Chondroitin for the "possible" joint pain from the Winstrol. The cycle looks conservative when compared to others, which is exactly what I want. Let me know what you think. I wanted to get as MANY opinions as possible. Thanks!!

Given your goals I would switch this up a bit. A EQ based cycle whould lend itself well here and be easier on you then the winny. Proviron is my faverite anti e but you might not need it at all considering the dosage and type of cycle. I would try something like this

300mg Test e weeks 1 to 15
600mg EQ weeks 1 to 14
10mg nolvadex ed weeks 1 to 17
start PCT week 17 with 40mg nolvadex ed for 2 weeks then 20mg ed for another 2 weeks.

While that may seam like a lot of gear remember that the EQ is a very mild roid and not as stong as most. The test here is optional but even though EQ does not usually kill your libido running a matinace dose of test is still a good idea.

[Chadd77]

Re: Re: Different First Cycle- Fellas Need Your Help, PLEASE....

Originally posted by Skyefire

300mg Test e weeks 1 to 15
600mg EQ weeks 1 to 14
10mg nolvadex ed weeks 1 to 17
start PCT week 17 with 40mg nolvadex ed for 2 weeks then 20mg ed for another 2 weeks.

Yo Sky, I see you have him running nolva ed for 17 weeks. You see this more and more and was curious why you have him running nola instead of armidex? I always thought nolva would hinder gains.

[Millineum Man]

Skye, you don't think 900mgs of Gear is ALOT for a First Cycle? Like I said, I REALLY wanted to keep the doses on the conservative to moderate side because I know you don't really need alot to grow. Especially, if you follow a sound diet and training program, which I intend to. The original cycle I planned was just Test Enanthate@500mgs/wk for 12 weeks & Dbol@25mgs ED for weeks 1-4, but that's when my goal was outright size & strength. Now, I'm going into a totally different direction with focus on density & vascularity. With maybe 10lbs of lean muscle over a 12 week span.

[Millineum Man]

Re: Re: Re: Different First Cycle- Fellas Need Your Help, PLEASE....

Originally posted by Chadd77
Yo Sky, I see you have him running nolva ed for 17 weeks. You see this more and more and was curious why you have him running nola instead of armidex? I always thought nolva would hinder gains.

Chadd, what do you think???

[Chadd77]

Originally posted by Millineum Man
Skye, you don't think 900mgs of Gear is ALOT for a First Cycle? Like I said, I REALLY wanted to keep the doses on the conservative to moderate side because I know you don't really need alot to grow. Especially, if you follow a sound diet and training program, which I intend to. The original cycle I planned was just Test Enanthate@500mgs/wk for 12 weeks & Dbol@25mgs ED for weeks 1-4, but that's when my goal was outright size & strength. Now, I'm going into a totally different direction with focus on density & vascularity. With maybe 10lbs of lean muscle over a 12 week span.

I don't think it is to much for a first cycle. If you think it is just run 400-500mg/week test for 12 weeks.

[ROCKETW19]

i would run 400-500mgs test E only for 12 weeks. if your diet is good like you say youll grow lean mass. remember the drugs just help, diet is most important!

[Cmsmallzz]

I would run it like Skye said except up the test to 500mg and bring the EQ down to 300mg. Defintaely skip the D-bol.

[Skyefire]

Originally posted by Millineum Man
Skye, you don't think 900mgs of Gear is ALOT for a First Cycle? Like I said, I REALLY wanted to keep the doses on the conservative to moderate side because I know you don't really need alot to grow. Especially, if you follow a sound diet and training program, which I intend to. The original cycle I planned was just Test Enanthate@500mgs/wk for 12 weeks & Dbol@25mgs ED for weeks 1-4, but that's when my goal was outright size & strength. Now, I'm going into a totally different direction with focus on density & vascularity. With maybe 10lbs of lean muscle over a 12 week span.

Did you read the part about it being EQ based and EQ being very mild? What I was sugesting was that you run an EQ base instead of test base. 300mg test is just a little more then maintance. what you would really be running is 600mg of EQ. Running 600 + 300mg of test is a milder cycle then 500mg test with 300mg EQ would be. You just can't judge a cycle based on the total mg per week, the intrensic strenghts of the drugs differ by far. look at the effective dose for fina vers test.

anyway if you want less then try 500mg a week of eq. but for myself I would through some test in there.

[Skyefire]

Re: Re: Re: Different First Cycle- Fellas Need Your Help, PLEASE....

Originally posted by Chadd77
Yo Sky, I see you have him running nolva ed for 17 weeks. You see this more and more and was curious why you have him running nola instead of armidex? I always thought nolva would hinder gains.

I thought that two. As it turns out it does really much at all if any.
see http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showt...light=nolvadex

There are two complelling reasons to run it throughout the cycle.

1st nothing protect you better from gyno
2nd cholesterol. Running nolvadex while on can greatly improve a otherwise shitty lipid profile.

[BigTexan]

I would have to say for a first cycle I might run Test only at 400-5oomg week for 10 weeks and Winny for the last 4 weeks at 30mg/day

[Texas Ranger]

I'd have to agree with Big Tex on this one. In fact, I think you can build a lean, hard physique with just Test Enanthate@400-500mgs for 10 weeks along with [email protected] EOD throughout to keep water retention to a minimum. As long as your diet is in check. High Protein(350-375 grams), low to moderate carbs(225-250 grams) & moderate fat(80-100 grams). Diet is THE most important thing! You can take the Winny towards the end at 50mgs ED weeks 5-12. This should get you where you want to be(10lbs of lean muscle) and even drop your bodyfat 1-2%. after all is said and done.

[house1]

EQ down to 300mg..

this dose of eq would be a waste of time-- anything under 400 mgs is a waste

i like skyefires setup for a second cycle -- only thing i would change is upping the test to 500 mgs!!

for a first cycle test only bro!!!

500mgs - 12 weeks -- diet and training will be more of a factor on the outcome not the drugs!!!

do the 10 mgs nolva throughout then
2 weeks after last injection --run 40 mgs nolva 14 days 20 mgs for another 14--done

keep it simple for your first !!!

[Millineum Man]

Ok guys, I have the Test Enanthate and Winny tabs. Now, what should I use to keep the water down for a leaner, harder look? Should I go with the Proviron like I originally planned? Or choose Arimidex? I'm going to up the Test to 500mgs/wk for 12 weeks.

[Skyefire]

Originally posted by Millineum Man
Ok guys, I have the Test Enanthate and Winny tabs. Now, what should I use to keep the water down for a leaner, harder look? Should I go with the Proviron like I originally planned? Or choose Arimidex? I'm going to up the Test to 500mgs/wk for 12 weeks.

your prefrance. ldex is probably stronger then you need. then again for 500mg of test you might not need ether. Proviron is nice to harden up with