check my PCT please

[tron]

Hi guys


I was doing some research on PCT and i remain confused. I am still not ready to start it yet , i am only 4 week in to a Prop, Winny and deca cycle. Let me write down what i think i should do and please lemme know any adjustment you would make

2 week before cycle end start HCG at 500 i.u's 3 x week for 2 weeks


last day of cycle start clomid /Nolva

clomid 100mg ed for 2 weeks
Nolva 25 mg ed for 2 weeks


that make any sense to you guys??

[teekahty]

1) your cycle choice is fighting with itself .
2) you should run something ( nolva) during the cycle
3) need the duration and dosage of your cycle to answer your question

[tron]

Duartion is 10 weeks
qv prop 300 1 cc EoD
Winstrol depot 100mg eod
qv deca 300 1 cc E4D

teek what do you mean my cycle is fighting with itself? also why do you reccomend nolva during the cycle?

[teekahty]

I personally like to take something during my cycles ... be it Nolva or proviron or aromasin or L dex ...

deca is normally best suited for bulkers , while winny and prop would be used for cutting .

as for the HCG . IMHO I do not think it is neccessary for this cyle . just run the rest like you intended . and drop the HCG

[clix]

make sure you stop your deca 2-3 weeks before you stop your test as the deca will take longer to clear your system and the progesterone will shut you down hard as well as it is not touched by nolva or clomid during pct. I would suggest you run that pct for 30 days and wait 2 weeks after you stop your test (which shold be 2 weeks after you stop your deca).

your dosages are fine.

the nolva will help you with any gyno you may encounter. you could also get some arimidex to cut down on the acutal estrogen conversion in addition to blocking it.

the only thing that will block progestoerone from the deca is bromcryptine - but I dont recommend it.

the nolva will also help you keep your hdl up since it has a positve effect on your liver and bones.

you can also take some b6 - which will help you keep prolactin down - although you should not have a problem if you keep your deca to a max of 400-500 per week and no more than 12 weeks. you dont want to squrit milk out your nipples. can mess with your head.....trust me on that... ;)

finally - it will help you with recovery since you will not have the heavy estrogen influence on your hpta during you cycle.

[Racer814]

why take an anti estrogen if you dont need it?...I would get some nolvas but wouldnt run them until you know you are predispositioned towards gyno....they can inhibit gains...I've never had a hint of gyno at any dose...some can just look at a vial of test and get puffy nips...find out how your body reacts before you just throw shit at it....IMO

[clix]

well of course that would be an option - I personally choose to because estrogen is not good for males in excess doses and its not just your nipples that are the issue. estrogen has been implicated as a primary antagonist in bph and just the fact that it is the main negative feedback mechanism on your hpta.

those are both unseen - so I choose to do it as many other bros that have been doing it for a while. there are however some that dont to bolster your point - I simply choose to err on the safe side.

[Cmsmallzz]

I have to agree with Racer...Actually Bro excess estrogen in males plays a key role in minimizing the negative impact of steroids. When using an aromatase inhibitor like Arimidex it can cause a supression of good cholesterol (HDL)...which will in turn affect your cardiovascular health. Also, IMO drugs like Nolavex will hindr your gains to a degree. I heard that Arimidex and Nolvadex act as estrogens in the liver and in turn lower IGF values...but who knows. I just have it on hand in case of signs.

Tron, you should also run your prop for 3-4 weeks after you last shot of deca so you can better judge when to start PCT. I would run another 4 weeks of Prop and then start PCT 3 or 4 days after last shot of short acting esters.

[clix]

you are correct on the acting of estrogen like response in the liver - this is nolvadex - arimidex simply blocks the conversion to estrogen. you want to moderate so you keep your estrogen low - not non existant. that is also why I run nolva with it so that I have a positive influence on my hdl.

it does slightly lower your igf as well. however your gains will be solid - you wont have the bloat and think you are getting bigger gains that you really are.

superhvyfreak - care to add some more - we chatted in the gym about this a month ago and seem to agree on it.

nice reference article in cross post.

http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...threadid=18189

http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...threadid=18184

[Cmsmallzz]

Yeah I definately hear you Bro on wanting solid gains. I used to not mind getting bloasted in the years past but now I really can't stand it. I just try to dictate the amount I bloat through my diet and not with an anti-estrogen. I basically just try to drink a ton of water, keep the sodium low, and up the potassium, which for me dramatically reduces the amount of water I retain even with the excess estrogen. I try to just make as solid and lean of gains as I can. I really don't bother with cutting cycles either, just bulking followed by proper dieting. It's taken me a long time to realize but it's amazing what one can achieve with the right food.