starter cycle

[jakeman]

hi first time post here i have been building for 3 years now and have reached a peak , i have 5mg d-bols and winnie tabs and wonder if it is ok to take both is that a good stack , i am 42 and 5'7 165 want to gain some mass but stay as lean as possible i also have clen in the syrup form

Thanks for any suggestions

[Racer814]

gains are gonna be short lived with just the d-bol ...need to run test for the best long lasting gains...you also havent outlined your pct therapy which is as important as the cycle itself...not a flame but need to study up a little before you dive in...LOTS of free info on this site...just take a little time looking at past threads and learn....good luck brother

[jakeman]

thanks for the info , but im still wondering if its ok to take winnie and d-bol together , and pct therapy is a new term to me can you explain some more

[hitmansb]

You need to do a little more homework. Dbol and winny at the same time is stressful for the liver. You'd be better off doing dbol first, then winny after. But some test needs to be in the mix...preferably test propionate if you want to stay lean. If you're looking to run a stack, perhaps something like this:

Weeks 1-8 Test Propionate 100mg EOD
Weeks 1-3 Dbol 20mg/day
Weeks 5-8 Winny 50mg/day

Simple and effective. However, if you've never done a cycle before, you really should do a test-only cycle for the first time. Try 8 weeks of just the test prop...save the tabs for the second cycle (don't worry...they'll keep).

As for the clen...do a search...clen usage guide has been posted MANY times.

[joe bigboy]

i like the cycle that hitman has listed there alot, i would certainly put some test with that winny and dbol, you'll be much happier with your results

[leanandmean]

Originally posted by hitmansb
You need to do a little more homework. Dbol and winny at the same time is stressful for the liver. You'd be better off doing dbol first, then winny after. But some test needs to be in the mix...preferably test propionate if you want to stay lean. If you're looking to run a stack, perhaps something like this:

Weeks 1-8 Test Propionate 100mg EOD
Weeks 1-3 Dbol 20mg/day
Weeks 5-8 Winny 50mg/day

Simple and effective. However, if you've never done a cycle before, you really should do a test-only cycle for the first time. Try 8 weeks of just the test prop...save the tabs for the second cycle (don't worry...they'll keep).

As for the clen...do a search...clen usage guide has been posted MANY times.

great advice right there

[jakeman]

thanks hitman i will take your advice into consideration , im not verycomfortable with the needles idea yet , if i chose to start of with just the d-bol ( they are the 5mg Tabs) would 8 weeks be enough ?

[house1]

im not verycomfortable with the needles idea yet , if i chose to start of with just the d-bol ( they are the 5mg Tabs) would 8 weeks be enough ?

if your not comfortable with pins then you need to wait till you are--

running dbol for 8 weeks is not very smart!! very harsh

test only for a first cycle [cyp or enanthate] !!! 400 to 500 mgs 10 to 12 weeks

start your pct 2 weeks after last injection -- pct is post cycle therapy

i like nolva -- 40 mgs for 14 days then 20 mgs for another 14 days -- done


but this is all moot till you are ready for pins bro

[jakeman]

Thanks House i appreciate the advice and will wait till im ready for the pins