Fina first cycle?

[peal]

ralph, you can't be serious, stop sprouting shit and go breast feed your boyfriend.

[ralph_malph]

Originally posted by peal
ralph, you can't be serious, stop sprouting shit and go breast feed your boyfriend.

Sprouting shit, boyfriend? I don't know what the fuck you are talking about? I don't think you do either. Test, unlike what every gay ass boy loving muscleboard poster will tell you, is not the end all and be all of anabolics. A lot of guys grow well with other shit and little or no test. I have seen Growth and EQ alone put 20 pounds on a wrestler and he kept it all. Shit, I love tren. Why the fuck not take it for a first run. He'll grow won't he? That's the idea isn't it. It's cheap and easily attainable. Even an idiot can make his own. It won't make him hold water, won't be estrogenic, so why the fuck not. Jesus Christ. What the fuck is your problem. I thought this was a "discussion board" If everybody agrees what is the fucking point.

R

[slimer]

Originally posted by ralph_malph
I didn't use either for my first cycle and I grew like a madman. Dan Duchaine said "If you don't grow on deca and d-bol, you aren't going to." My first cycle was 30mg ea day of d-bol weeks 1-6 and deca 450mg/week weeks 1-8. I grew 25 pounds and maintained bodyfat percentage. I only kept like 12 but for what I spent it was awesome, and no PCT. Shit, if I gained 12 everytime i went on I would be damn near 300. I say do whatever you want. The idea is to use as little drugs as it takes to get the most results. Each cycle can be bigger than the last when you start small. If I had to choose i would say tren at 350 a week. It just sounds like fun and I've never had any worse sides on it than test. No worrying about having to find out how easy you get gyno either. If you only ever do one you won't be stuck wearing a training bra forever.

ralphie

The problem with this post
1. No test in a cycle
2. No Pct
3. He doesn’t know what he wants that’s why he’s asking for advice.
4. Just because you don't have worse sides on it doesn’t mean that most people don't
5. Don’t worry about gyno.

You should always run test in a cycle even if only a maintenance dose.
You should always have nolva and HCG on hand even if just to combat sides. and at least use nolva for pct
Most everyone will agree tren has many more sides than test I know I get the cough, raised blood pressure, and night sweats as the main ones but there are many more
Fina also gives me gyno symptoms worse than test I've run test only cycles with no symptoms but add fina at even 75mg EOD and my nips start itching. Tren increases progesterone sensitivity which can lead to gyno.

I do agree use as little as possible to get results which is why a test only first cycle makes sense Id start at 400 mg and work up to 600mg run for 10 weeks +/- 2 weeks depending on ester length. Save the tren for the next cycle after you know how your body will react to the test and start slowly and work up again.

Hey ralph it sound like that fina rage is really kicking in bro
:agree:

[Shibby]

Pearl and Ralph_Malph, calm down and discuss things in a mature manner or don't say anything at all.

[spidey]

OK, I will play the REAL devil's advocate, LOL.

I did a tren/ test prop cycle for my first and gained close to 35 lbs in 12 weeks. I did:

weeks 1-3: tren alone at 50mg ed
weeks 4-8: tren + TP both at 50mg ed
weeks 9-12: TP alone at 50mg ed
weeks 13-15: Clomid therapy

I gained 18 lbs in that first 3 weeks of tren alone and felt like fucking godzilla. No acne, only mild decrease in sex drive, no hairloss.

When I added in the test, I developed acne really bad. My gains slowed to a trickle and my sex drive went ballistic. I also developed puffy nips.

The negative sides with tren were really bad night sweats and insomnia, frequent muscle cramps and overall tightness (couldn't reach my back in the shower, LOL).

About 5 weeks after my cycle ended, I developed gyno. It took nolvadex 3 months to make it go away.

The reason why tren + test is a good recipe for gyno is because the tren is a progestin and can raise prolactin levels through progestin mediated pathways. The test aromatizes into estrogen and both AAS raise IGF-1 levels. Now, you have ALL FOUR necessary hormones for gyno to develop. It's like made to order gyno. For that reason, I would stay away from that combination if you are gyno prone in the least.

[bigpetefox]

I'm just special, no gyno or hardly any acne.. :nutkick: