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i wanted to know what i should take. i want to gain about 20-25lbs of solid muscle. i am 6'1" 21yrs. 190lbs. my diet consits of 5-6 meals a day. 2-3 protein shakes. i play baseball so i dont want to take anything like winstrol that makes ur ligaments thin. i have doing some research about anabolics but i cant come to a conclusion.
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if u never cycles bro, u'd make awesome gains with some Test-e or Test Cyp at 400-500mgs a week for 10 weeks -
this would be my second one I took Deca 200mg with Primo 100mg but I think that the Deca was fake and the primo was real. B\c my mucsle feel and look harder. Also I only gain 7lbs. I took 2cc a week for 12 weeks (both togehter). I just need some help and advice what a baseabll player shoould take?
Juice* write down how the cycle should be. thanksComment
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not to be an asshole but do more research bro--
no one can tell you what to put into your body -- you must make that choice-
once that choice is made people can point you in the right direction as far as running whatever you choose
look up the profiles of each drug and see what would suit your needs best-
putting your stats up would help out a great deal -- training exper, age, etc,etcComment
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not to be an asshole but no one is telling me what to do and what to put in my body. that choice is mine to make all I was askin for was for some advice. thanks for the help HOUSE1Comment
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then i must have misunderstood what you said here:oi wanted to know what i should take. i want to gain about 20-25lbs of solid muscleComment
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Re: help!
You should think about what house said bro. You aren't carring yourself well here, what you ran for your first cycle says a great deal about not researching thing first.Originally posted by qbanplaya56
i wanted to know what i should take. i want to gain about 20-25lbs of solid muscle. i am 6'1" 21yrs. 190lbs. my diet consits of 5-6 meals a day. 2-3 protein shakes. i play baseball so i dont want to take anything like winstrol that makes ur ligaments thin. i have doing some research about anabolics but i cant come to a conclusion.
That not withstanding an important question is are you going to be tested?
Also, the research you have done here is poor, 200mg of deca and 100mg primo isn't going to do much more then wet your joints (still good for a baseball player), its not going ot cause you to grow. to say that the deca was fake is necessarly true.
At any rate if your not going to be tested then you should stay with EQ, Deca, Primo, Tren, and the like to keep the ligaments strong. Puddles gave me a great post about this that I will dig up. But run build a good cycle off of these and run a maintance test dose.
If your tested then the smart bet is to stay away altogather. If you can't do that then stay with Var, bold base and test base ext,Comment
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My thanks to Puddles for this
Here's an interesting read...this is what lead me to choose Var or EQ:
originally posted by AnimalMass on competitivemuscle.com
While injecting test increases protein syntesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.
Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.
Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen syn while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.
Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.
You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.
Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.
While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.
To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle.
Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.
Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood
Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.
Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:
Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days
Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.
GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.
Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.
Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS -- the decision is up to you.
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great postComment
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Re: help!
What research have you done? Can you explain to me what testosterone is and how it effects the body? If you had done you research you would know that 25lbs of pure muscle mass is an unrealistic goal. With 25lbs of pure muscle comes fat an water so what your really saying is you would like to gain about 50-75lbs in a somewhat short period. My advice, dont even think about drugs until your training and diet is 100% and you have done more research. Knowledge is power..Originally posted by qbanplaya56
i wanted to know what i should take. i want to gain about 20-25lbs of solid muscle. i am 6'1" 21yrs. 190lbs. my diet consits of 5-6 meals a day. 2-3 protein shakes. i play baseball so i dont want to take anything like winstrol that makes ur ligaments thin. i have doing some research about anabolics but i cant come to a conclusion.Comment
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listen or don't, we try to help people to help themselves. everything that has been posted by people is to help you.Originally posted by qbanplaya56
not to be an asshole but no one is telling me what to do and what to put in my body. that choice is mine to make all I was askin for was for some advice. thanks for the help HOUSE1Comment
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You guys are awesome.Comment
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