slin guru`s please help

[mountainman]

hey ppl

i `m looking at trying a slin cycle and trying to find all the info i can b4 i even pop the top off my bottles

first off i have 4 10 ml bottles of humalog and 2 humalin -r
after reading everything i can find there are still a few questions left un resolved
1- is there any pct needed
2- most info says take shots after working out , do i still take my shot on days off to maintain the cycle

can`t remember other questions i will add more as they come to mind

as for precautions i picked up a 15 lb. bucket of high carb weight gainer as well as 5 packs of glyco tabs and 2 bottles of glycogel


my plan ; start with 2iu for first 2 times post work out followed immidiately by a shake and dinner within an hour then .
then adding 1iu each time to monitor any sensitivities i might have to a total of 10 iu daily . up to a max of 4 weeks total cycle .


i understand the warnings and am trying to find out everything b4 i start so please keep the flameing to a minimum

[beefcake]

Only do the slin postworkout. Not on off days. That'll end up making you fat. Some guys are hardcore and do a shot in the morn and postworkout. You'll need to get some real experience before you attempt that. As far as dosage, yea, just keep adding a unit every day so you can gauge yourself. Remember to only use 1iu per every 20lbs of "LEAN" body mass. Anything more will make you fat. You'll need to get some skinless chicken too. I'd also get 20lbs of whey from allthewhey.com. I take 3 scoops 4x after the shot. It's only $80 so who gives a shit. And no, there is no pct needed. Just make sure you cycle off after 4 weeks. Usually 4 weeks on / 3-4 weeks off / 4on / then maybe 3 months off.

[eaglewrestler27]

Yes, that sounds pretty much on. I personally do slin in the mornings on days I don't lift just to help shuttle the nutrients better. The only PCT needed is time off the same rule applies here as it does gear time on equals time off. I have heard of some people running slin a lot longer, but 4 weeks is best IMO. Also try adding Vitargo CGL post workout. Its works with slin extremely well, and most users rave about it.

[beefcake]

Originally posted by eaglewrestler27
Yes, that sounds pretty much on. I personally do slin in the mornings on days I don't lift just to help shuttle the nutrients better. The only PCT needed is time off the same rule applies here as it does gear time on equals time off. I have heard of some people running slin a lot longer, but 4 weeks is best IMO. Also try adding Vitargo CGL post workout. Its works with slin extremely well, and most users rave about it.

I'd say yea, if you aren't getting fat from taking a shot in the morning then no problem. Only reason I don't do it is cause since training is what stimulates insulinase, and since there won't be any, I feel there is no anti-catabolic or protein synthasizing benefits. If your body likes it though, go for it.

[mountainman]

Originally posted by beefcake
I'd also get 20lbs of whey from allthewhey.com. I take 3 scoops 4x after the shot. It's only $80 so who gives a shit.

i know i need to keep high protien intake but would something like chapion nutrition pure whey be the same thing as what you said to get or is there a specific reason i should be getting another powder other than what i have wich is precision mass 2000 with inulin&mct it has 35grams protine per serveing

[beefcake]

Originally posted by mountainman
i know i need to keep high protien intake but would something like chapion nutrition pure whey be the same thing as what you said to get or is there a specific reason i should be getting another powder other than what i have wich is precision mass 2000 with inulin&mct it has 35grams protine per serveing

Doesn't matter which powder just as long as the fat content is very low and the carbs aren't too high. Makes isopure the best you can get but kind of costly though. General rule is to take in 5g of protein per unit of slin. I just use allthewhey.com cause it's cheap so I can get 66g of protein per each of my four meals after the slin shot. Hopefully it isn't becoming toilet tinkle.

[BASHER]

yes the carbs will make you fat if you take in too much but he needs to take in 5g carbs per iu's of slin. so if you taks 10 iu's post workout follow that with 50g carbs.

[beefcake]

Originally posted by BASHER
yes the carbs will make you fat if you take in too much but he needs to take in 5g carbs per iu's of slin. so if you taks 10 iu's post workout follow that with 50g carbs.

The general rule is usually 10g of carbs per unit to be safe but you can usually get away with around 5-7g per unit. I actually go even less to around 3g. Either or, I think he's aware of it since he's gotten his high carb weight gainer and glucose tabs and gel.

[house1]

the carbs will make you fat if you take in too much but he needs to take in 5g carbs per iu's of slin. so if you taks 10 iu's post workout follow that with 50g carbs.

the rule is 10 grams per-- so if you take in 10 iu's 100 grams of carbs-

you can back down on the carbs once you learn your tolerance-- take too much out and you go hypo-

you must learn that fine line

[Cmsmallzz]

Bro what type of carbs are on your carb powder? Dextrose, maltodectrin, etc? Just make sure it is predominantly one that is hig glycemic. I noticed you mentioned inulin...that is an ectremely slow releasing carb. Def not what your looking for with slin use. Go to proteinfactory.com and buy their striaght dectrose or malto powder. Just makes life cheaper and easier.

[SMACKAVELI]

Originally posted by eaglewrestler27
Also try adding Vitargo CGL post workout. Its works with slin extremely well, and most users rave about it.

Yes!!! Vitargo is the best thing for slin. Highly recommended.

[TooPowerful4u]

Alright amaetures! lol no offense guys... yea im 21, but i stil got a lot of experience with this, heres my 2 cents. . .

The carbs HELP a lot. Screw tryin to go down to 5g carbs per iu, i tried it and results were nothing like when i was at 10g per iu. Iv never gone over 10iu post workout. I personally like to make my own post workout shakes rather than buy a weight gainer. Humalin R is a LOT stronger than the humalog also, lot better results in strength and size. It stays active in ur system longer also, so id only recommend it if you have time to chill out post workout n keep an eye on meals. This is pretty much what im gonna TELL you to do and u should follow, iv gotten my advice and info from some of the best :D (including Bouncy)

Regardless your post workout shake should be close to this : 100g dextrose/maltodextrine, 50-70g whey (isolate if possible), 5-10g creatine, and some BCAA's

Whatever u decide to use, start at 2iu for first 2 days, then 5iu for 2, then 7iu for 2, then hit 10iu n stay there, dont go higher, there is no difference iv seen higher unless ur a very large man like bouncer, and he still only uses 15iu. Keep the post workout shake the same through all these doses tho. Remember to have a soda or gatoraid and glucose tabs on hand at all times, if u start shaking or start feeling really hungry, start chuggin. KEEP FAT OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM WHILE SLIN IS IN YOUR SYSTEM.

If you wanna use HUMALOG because you feel safer with it getting in and out quicker. . .
It spikes almost immediatly so start sippin on ur shake right after the shot and drink it over a 15-20minute period. 1hr later have a solid food meal of about 40g protein/40g COMPLEX carbs (baked potato/yam/brown rice). Slin clears your system at 2 hr mark, but you can still have low blood sugar due to its effects, so maybe eat again after 2hr mark if hungry.

If you want a more anabolic effect and have the time and dedication to go with the HUMALIN R, here ya go. . .
Its gonna spike within 30-45min after shot, so start sippin on shake at 20min post workout and finnish it over 15min period, dont gulp it. 2hrs later should be your solid food meal, same macronutrient rules as above. Humalin R is harder to control, i saw a lot of the time i got hungry n shakey before the 2hr mark, take in some carbs and youl be fine. It will clear your system at 4hr mark, but again blood sugar could be low from effects, so eat again after 4hr if youd like. I personally like to have a can of tuna at the 3hr mark just to get more protein in there with a very small amount of complex carbs (2nd solid meal).

Anything i mised guys? Good luck bro! Be careful, this aint nothin to play with, iv had sum scares myself. . .

[squatter]

toopowerful, good post bro.

I'm 300lbs w/ abs and I don't go over 10iu daily. No need. 10iu will shuttle plenty of nutrients post workout. When I need to put on a few extra pounds I'll hit up to 10iu in the morning as well. I don't watch the calender when I'm taking slin, I look at the mirror. Basicly I have two methods of use, mega gain and lean gain.

lean gain is post workout slin only w/ the only suger consumed in the entire day being within two hours of slin injection. moderate complex carbs up till 5pm, then no carbs afte that. 600g protein, only fat from flax oil and olive oil.

mega gain is maximum food consumption- 10 whole eggs w/ cheese +2 cups oats, 1lb of hamburger + 2 potatos, 32oz steak + two cups brown rice, 3 monster shakes w/ added flax oil, peanut butter, banana. One gallon of whole milk washes everything down. I do this untill I gain 15-20 pounds then I lean out. I'll only hit this when I have time between shows and guest apearences. Works awsome for putting on sick loads of mass, but you will get fat. I'm not worried about that when I have time to cut it off though.

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[TooPowerful4u]

Hmm iv never heard of any1 mention doin that to bulk up hardcore. Makes sense, although like u said, ul get fat. Wonder how it would work with just mega levels of protein and semi-mega levels of carbs while its in ur system haha.