i got 2 questions

[extreme]

Hello everyone, i got 2 questions...

Ive done about 4 cycles (I use to weigh about 180pds) and i seem to be stuck at about 208 and 210, im now finishing a dbol Sust cycle of 8 weeks witch was suppose to be 10 but..... ran the dbol for 4 weeks 25mg and 500mg of Sust a week. How can i pass this weight barier ? im now going to take a good 8 weeks off and then most likely go back on so i need advise. Oh food/calories high intake atleast 3k daily protein about 120 to 150g daily. My other question is i dont have a high body fat percentage at all actualy i've always been pretty skiny and always had a hard time to gain yet i cant get the six pack, why ?
I know there are diff body types but you would think i would be able to get them , anyways i do pretty much abs each day or eod and i usualy do 4 sets of asmany reps as possible i do decline leg raises.... any advise ?

thanks to all .

[sana]

you can't pass the weight barrier b/c you're not eating enough protein.

you can't see your abs b/c your body fat is too high.

[extreme]

well im sure im eating more than certain people 150g a day for a 200pd guy isnt all that bad as for the body fat its not high if i flex them u can see them its jus that i cant rip them. So in order to do so would i have to drop the Cal ?

[beefcake]

Originally posted by extreme
well im sure im eating more than certain people 150g a day for a 200pd guy isnt all that bad as for the body fat its not high if i flex them u can see them its jus that i cant rip them. So in order to do so would i have to drop the Cal ?

If you're 200lbs you should be eating at least 200g of protein. You shouldn't be taking aas's if you're not going to eat the protein that's required. AAS's increase protein synthesis, don't you think you should be taking in as much protein as possible then? Your caloric intake isn't even high. How much of that 3k is fat? What foods are you eating? How many times a day are you eating? What's your cardio look like?

[extreme]

ok will increase the intake of protein even higher, I ususaly eat pretty well not much fat intake the only fat i have is when i have no choice but to stop and grab food , fast food that is but i will grab like 4 burgers no fries... I usualy eat left overs chicken with rice, beef pork, steak.... at work and I allways bring another 4 sand along these sand contain chicken breast or what ever i have these are always 6" sand, then i bring also a protein shake and a can of tuna.... so i try my best I can only do so much im not much of a pro as all of you but i try... So maybe we can drop the food topic since you all getting mad at me... as for the abs any advise or dream is over ? : )

[Deez Nuggets]

The diet / training thing should have been mastered BEFORE you did juice...


150g of protein for a 200lb person isn't enough, you should be around 250...

I take it you are more concerned about ripping up then just gaining mass, so you need to up your caloric intake, but keep it clean.... you ever think about trying to thermogenics?

[beefcake]

Originally posted by extreme
So maybe we can drop the food topic since you all getting mad at me... as for the abs any advise or dream is over ? : )

How's your cardio? Nobody's getting mad at you bro. We may sound a little stern, but that's just the usual tone here. A lot of people underestimate nutrition, so you kind of have to be to get the message across sometimes. I think you may even be doing too much ab work. ED work is too much in my opinion. Plus with really high reps, that may even just be increasing cortisol levels which may be keeping fat in that area. Intensity and contraction is the key to abs, not volume.

[extreme]

is 250 not to much ? what if you where 280pds ? dont tell me that most of them eat over 300g of protein cause thats crap i got quite a few friends over 250 and they dont intake that much protein , calories yes but protein they dont always do so.... and no im not concerned about ripping I would like my abs to show more, whats the deal with the bashing people ??? I know how to train and eat.... Im not a pro but when i see shit like " The diet / training thing should have been mastered BEFORE you did juice... " that fucking gets me going !!! im asking a simple question I dont need to be preached.

[extreme]

thx Beefcake thats what i was looking for I know food is the most important thing and trust me i eat as much as my wallet can take it people see me eat and they cant believe it, I know im not going to be a bodybuilder but thats fine. You guys who are becoming bodybuilders yes i understand for getting mad but most of us on the board arent so ..... Ive been training for 7 years i started at like 160pds benching 90pds now i have 18" arms and bench 255pds yes the juice helped but i just started it last year and thats what got me breaking the 180pd mark and to tell you th truth thats the only reason i tried roids now i seem to be stuck again so thats why im here looking for advise from the pro's.

[sana]

Originally posted by extreme
well im sure im eating more than certain people 150g a day for a 200pd guy isnt all that bad as for the body fat its not high if i flex them u can see them its jus that i cant rip them. So in order to do so would i have to drop the Cal ?

i am a 130lb girl dieting for a show and i'm eating about 200g's of protein a day. you tell me if you think you're eating enough protein still.

you honestly shouldn't be on AAS at the point, you need to get nutrition basics down.

FOOD is the most anabolic substance in the world.

[beefcake]

Originally posted by extreme
is 250 not to much ? what if you where 280pds ? dont tell me that most of them eat over 300g of protein cause thats crap i got quite a few friends over 250 and they dont intake that much protein , calories yes but protein they dont always do so.... and no im not concerned about ripping I would like my abs to show more, whats the deal with the bashing people ??? I know how to train and eat.... Im not a pro but when i see shit like " The diet / training thing should have been mastered BEFORE you did juice... " that fucking gets me going !!! im asking a simple question I dont need to be preached.

Relax dude. I think you may have read him the wrong way. No one here is trying to bash you bro. The general rule is to take in 1g of protein per lb of bodyweight to maintain and grow muscle mass. A lot of people overshoot that mark and go with sometimes even 2g per lb. Especially those on AAS's since their body's can handle more protein from the increase in synthesis. Make sure you're eating small meals throughout the day. That will help to increase your metabolism. Don't over do it on fats, carbs and sugars, especially alchohol. Keep up on the cardio and you should lean out pretty well.

[extreme]

thx bro, will do. Good luck at the show Sana!

[sana]

Originally posted by extreme
is 250 not to much ? what if you where 280pds ? dont tell me that most of them eat over 300g of protein cause thats crap i got quite a few friends over 250 and they dont intake that much protein , calories yes but protein they dont always do so.... and no im not concerned about ripping I would like my abs to show more, whats the deal with the bashing people ??? I know how to train and eat.... Im not a pro but when i see shit like " The diet / training thing should have been mastered BEFORE you did juice... " that fucking gets me going !!! im asking a simple question I dont need to be preached.

when you ask questions like you did saying you've done 4 cycles already - the only conclusion we can draw is that your diet and nutrition ARE NOT down.

we're not bashing you - we are trying to instill some sense into you.

all your gear is going to waste if you are not eating enough to "feed the machine".

you asked how to break your weight plateau, the answer isn't in gear, it is in your diet. plain and simple.

i'm going to say that you are wrong when you think you know how to eat. can't comment on your training, but if you're only eating what you're eating currently, you DON'T know how to eat.

list your diet and your eating schedule. a full day's sample of what you eat next to the times you eat. that is where you will get the most help.

go to www.fitday.com and start documenting what you eat everyday. that will give you a better truthful idea of what you're consuming calorie wise.

if you don't like the attitude, you're welcomed to leave.

if you open your eyes and are willing to learn, you're welcomed to stay.

[Deez Nuggets]

Originally posted by extreme
is 250 not to much ? what if you where 280pds ? dont tell me that most of them eat over 300g of protein cause thats crap i got quite a few friends over 250 and they dont intake that much protein , calories yes but protein they dont always do so.... and no im not concerned about ripping I would like my abs to show more, whats the deal with the bashing people ??? I know how to train and eat.... Im not a pro but when i see shit like " The diet / training thing should have been mastered BEFORE you did juice... " that fucking gets me going !!! im asking a simple question I dont need to be preached.

I hear you loud and clear bro but do you think you're the only person who comes on here asking similar questions only for us to find out they really dont' know much other then what their gym buddy told them... No one is bashing you, I'm certainly not, just questions like these are so common that people like myself come off stern.

To answer your question 1lb of body weight = 1g of protein. That's pretty much the rule of thumb. Do all lifters do this, off course not, but remember not everyone is the same and after all, steroids for the most part increase protein synthesis, so why wouldn't you want to follow that rule?

Again, I hear what you are saying, and I certainly don't want to preach to you because it seems you're convinced you know what you're doing, yet you did ask a very common question so understand where people like me are coming from. I'm far from a pro to, but i've witnessed this same question on many different boards more times then I can count....

Good luck, use the search function more often and take your time. Also watch out you don't get some of the more anal people around here pissed off with your responses... there some very intelligent yet short fused people around here who will spare no mercy bro....

[Deez Nuggets]

Originally posted by sana
when you ask questions like you did saying you've done 4 cycles already - the only conclusion we can draw is that your diet and nutrition ARE NOT down.

we're not bashing you - we are trying to instill some sense into you.

all your gear is going to waste if you are not eating enough to "feed the machine".

you asked how to break your weight plateau, the answer isn't in gear, it is in your diet. plain and simple.

i'm going to say that you are wrong when you think you know how to eat. can't comment on your training, but if you're only eating what you're eating currently, you DON'T know how to eat.

list your diet and your eating schedule. a full day's sample of what you eat next to the times you eat. that is where you will get the most help.

go to www.fitday.com and start documenting what you eat everyday. that will give you a better truthful idea of what you're consuming calorie wise.

if you don't like the attitude, you're welcomed to leave.

if you open your eyes and are willing to learn, you're welcomed to stay.

:D